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Re:The biggest root cause of crime is fatherlessness by tech_ken on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @01:11PM (#38631566)
"The Biggest Root Cause of Stupid Opinion Pieces is Lurking Third Variables"

tl;dr https://xkcd.com/882/ (except it's not even peer-reviewed research it's just some think-tank publishing PDFs online)

There are so many ways that family structure and crime can share a common cause. At the very most obvious, areas with high crime have high arrest rates so will naturally be missing a lot of men. Ditto for murder rates. Moreover, the relationship between low SES and family structure is well studied, and between SES and crime likewise. From this one would expect exactly what is described by the author. The "academic paper" referred to (laundered by) the author is a think-tank white paper (ie. no peer-review) which uses descriptive summaries and correlational analysis to reach the conclusion touted in the byline. Nowhere do they use any kind of quasi-experimental or causal analysis techniques which would merit ID-ing a "root cause". At best they can say what everyone already knows: SES, single parenthood, crime, and decaying social structure exist in a big tangled causal web. The author is playing the eternal op-ed con of turning thin evidence into ironclad moralization.

edit: One more interesting bit of chicanery is that the whitepaper [0] cited by the author didn't even really find what the op-ed title indicates. In the nationwide analysis they found significant correlation between single-family rates and total crime, but its a 5X weaker effect than poverty and wouldn't be significant if you applied Bonferroni correction (which you should if you're going to be using NHST on each variable separately like they are). In both analyses it's really only violent crimes and homicides that signficantly correlate with single-parenthood, and to that result one kind of has to say "duh" (see above about murder and arrests causing single-parent families). In all cases "single parenthood" is basically the weakest predictor, and again they didn't do anything to actually assess the direction of causality.

[0] https://ifstudies.org/ifs-admin/resources/reports/ifs-strong...

Re:The biggest root cause of crime is fatherlessness by positus on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @01:15PM (#38631638)
Why do you consider the opinion voiced in the article to be a "stupid opinion"?
Re:The biggest root cause of crime is fatherlessness by tech_ken on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @01:26PM (#38631828)
I edited my original comment to expound. The "evidence" he cites is incredibly thin, in my professional opinion.
Re:The biggest root cause of crime is fatherlessness by basfo on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @01:27PM (#38631842)
Because correlation does not imply causation.
Re:The biggest root cause of crime is fatherlessness by misja111 on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @01:43PM (#38632164)
But if one factor correlates more with crime than all the others, it sure looks like that one is the cause.
Re:The biggest root cause of crime is fatherlessness by tech_ken on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @01:57PM (#38632403)
Can I use this comment (anonymized of course) as example in the next course I teach on regression stats? Because it's the exact opposite of how you're supposed to do regression inference. Selecting feature sets by beta alone is a recipe for disaster.

Consider the following example:

A + B => Y (one A and one B causes one Y) A => 2Z (two A causes one Z)

If you have a data set featuring B, Z, and Y then a regression analysis will yield that Y = 2Z + B, and you would conclude that Z is "a root cause" of Y over B. However, by construction Z has no causal effect on Y, only B does. This is literally the point of "correlation does not imply causation".

Moreover, the white-paper the op-ed author is citing [0] doesn't even have "fatherlessness" as the most correlated variable: it's poverty across the board (and by a lot). Even if your argument was sound it wouldn't be correct.

[0] https://ifstudies.org/ifs-admin/resources/reports/ifs-strong... Tables 2 and 3

Re:The biggest root cause of crime is fatherlessness by misja111 on Thursday December 14, 2023 @02:58AM (#38638917)
Thank you, I should have read the white paper better, you are right, the correlation with single parent households is actually one of the weakest.

By the way, do I read correctly from the regression analysis stats, that "single young men age 15-29" is -negatively- correlated with all categories of crime?

Re:The biggest root cause of crime is fatherlessness by tech_ken on Monday December 18, 2023 @08:31PM (#38690700)
Yes, that’s correct. Mixed significance pattern and wide-ish SEs so a little challenging to make claims across crime types IMO.

This demo tends to commit the most recorded crimes, which means that they’re getting arrested or murdered. Presumably in an area where lots of crimes are occurring the corresponding increase in arrests and murders leads to lower population counts on the US Census (which I believe was their source of truth on demo stuff).

Re:The biggest root cause of crime is fatherlessness by PortiaBerries on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @01:26PM (#38631839)
Well, whether or not fatherlessness is the actual cause (and I believe there is abundant evidence that it is), it seems very likely that partially rewinding the societal changes that have led to widespread fatherlessness are going to have a positive effect on crime. And yes, I'm talking about the sexual revolution.
Re:The biggest root cause of crime is fatherlessness by tech_ken on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @01:32PM (#38631951)
"Whether or not we correctly understand the root causes of X, it seems likely that doing Y will clearly reduce it". I can't change your beliefs, but you have to understand how foolish this sounds to me. If you think the sexual revolution causes crime then just say that. I personally think it's ludicrous, but at least do me the decency of stating your conflicting opinion instead of trying to sidestep the point that this op-ed is fluff.
Re:The biggest root cause of crime is fatherlessness by PortiaBerries on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @01:28PM (#38631867)
I see your extended response now. Well, I'm happy to do some ironclad moralization.
Re:The biggest root cause of crime is fatherlessness by tech_ken on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @01:35PM (#38632011)
More fool you