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Re:'Biocomputer' combines lab-grown brain tissue with electr... by knodi123 on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @11:45AM (#38629990)
> I don’t know what the experience of a bit in memory flipping feels like.

The "feeling" could only be "experienced" via an enormous number of other "bits" flipping.

Neurons don't feel pain- they are how you experience pain.

I've heard the phrase "don't confuse the medium with the message", but this is like wondering if a pencil prefers writing fiction vs non fiction.

Re:'Biocomputer' combines lab-grown brain tissue with electr... by odyssey7 on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @12:59PM (#38631365)
It's possible that every component of an organism is recursively its own sentient system. In symbiosis, each component's first-person experience directs coordinating behavior for mutual benefit, though each component may be unable to observe the first-person experience of the other.
Re:'Biocomputer' combines lab-grown brain tissue with electr... by knodi123 on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @01:13PM (#38631581)
That's "possible" in the same way that wizards and vampires are possible - sure, I can't prove it's fake, but there's not a shred of evidence, plus it would upset everything we've learned about the universe.
Re:'Biocomputer' combines lab-grown brain tissue with electr... by odyssey7 on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @01:56PM (#38632375)
Cells, tissues, and organs undertake a variety of self-maintenance behaviors without the direction of the brain. Although low-level behaviors like these are abundant, high-level examples also exist, like when an arm pulls away from a hot stove as soon as the signal reaches the spinal cord. The organism is a recursive system, with sub-systems behaving with varying degrees of autonomy while also depending on the larger system. The seat of consciousness possesses only a limited view.
Re:'Biocomputer' combines lab-grown brain tissue with electr... by knodi123 on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @04:23PM (#38634315)
That's not sentience. That's just life.

Neurons do not have a brain. They do not have emotions or feelings or thoughts. This conversation is so absurd that it's well into the realm of fantasy.

Re:'Biocomputer' combines lab-grown brain tissue with electr... by odyssey7 on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @04:47PM (#38634621)
What causes a neuron to perform its functions if it isn't some brain? The answer would likely be physics, and I would say that first-person experience is fundamental in the physics if it exists at all.
Re:'Biocomputer' combines lab-grown brain tissue with electr... by holoduke on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @06:01PM (#38635456)
Or somekind of electrical system, acting as a software layer on top of the hardware (neurons) layer. This electrical thing is what controls and orchestrates everything and also is our ego.
Re:'Biocomputer' combines lab-grown brain tissue with electr... by jchanimal on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @03:20PM (#38633630)
You can use this approach to make complex behavior from simple rules https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsumption_architecture
Re:'Biocomputer' combines lab-grown brain tissue with electr... by anigbrowl on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @04:17PM (#38634249)
Neurons may not 'feel' pain per se, but it's entirely possible that the biological substrate on a chip would experience pain on some subset of the pin inputs, say if it recognized a condition that reliably led to a shutdown and reboot of the chip.

I'm not against this sort of research, but we shouldn't make assumptions about systems that we still understand relatively poorly.

Re:'Biocomputer' combines lab-grown brain tissue with electr... by knodi123 on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @04:25PM (#38634340)
> it's entirely possible that the biological substrate on a chip would experience pain on some subset of the pin inputs

Absolutely, but the guy I responded to suggested that "all physical processes involve a sensory component", which is utter insanity.

Re:'Biocomputer' combines lab-grown brain tissue with electr... by mensetmanusman on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @05:23PM (#38635048)
In quantum mechanics the act of observing always disturbs the observed; it's reasonable to call these disturbances 'senses' in the copenhagen interpretation of reality.
Re:'Biocomputer' combines lab-grown brain tissue with electr... by Bjartr on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @05:58PM (#38635419)
The term "observation" in explaining quantum mechanics is misleading and a layperson analogy, not the underlying reality which is closer to "inter-system interaction" or "interaction between a quantum system and its environment". No conscious observation necessary.
Re:'Biocomputer' combines lab-grown brain tissue with electr... by mensetmanusman on Thursday December 14, 2023 @12:48PM (#38644435)
Interaction is also an analogy for what the mystery really is.