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Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by infamouscow on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @11:18AM (#38614220)
There is no option to opt-out of paying taxes and voluntarily live in the woods.

You have to pay taxes. In fact, you have to pay taxes even if you're living in another country for multiple years.

These claims are ridiculous and border delusional.

Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by vineyardmike on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @11:27AM (#38614328)
You get collective benefit even if you live in the woods. You can’t opt-out because you don’t opt out of the benefit.

You can leave the country and stop paying taxes, you just can’t come back.

You can be a nomad in the woods and not earn income, and you’ve essentially avoided most taxes unless you own the woods. You’d pay taxes on your woodland because the government protects it from forest fires, criminals entering, war, etc. As a nomad in the woods you’re still eligible for food stamps, you’re still eligible for Medicare and if you go to the hospital and can’t pay, the government protects you from being turned away.

Again, you’re part of a society and you can’t opt out, even if you don’t want to pay.

Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by shiroiuma on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @09:43PM (#38621996)
>You can leave the country and stop paying taxes, you just can’t come back.

No, you can't. You have to renounce your US Citizenship to stop paying taxes in the US, no matter where you live. Renouncing requires acquiring citizenship in a new country, which isn't that easy: just ask anyone who's tried to naturalize in the US.

>Again, you’re part of a society and you can’t opt out, even if you don’t want to pay.

You're not really a part of the society if you don't live there, but if you're a US Citizen, you're still required to pay both federal and state taxes, even if you've never lived in the US in the first place.

Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by ImPostingOnHN on Thursday December 14, 2023 @10:55AM (#38642696)
Acquiring another citizenship before renouncing is a given, since you can't legally be stateless. How else would it work?

In any case, I've never renounced a citizenship, but I can imagine countries making it hard. Is the process itself difficult, are there requirements other than the international law one of not being stateless?

Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by shiroiuma on Thursday December 14, 2023 @07:54PM (#38649687)
Renouncing isn't hard for most people, except Americans who have to pay thousands of dollars in fees. Acquiring the new citizenship is what's hard; most decent countries don't just hand that out.
Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by ImPostingOnHN on Saturday December 16, 2023 @10:55AM (#38665125)
The point is that of course you have to find citizenship in another country before renouncing your only other citizenship, otherwise you'd have no citizenship.
Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by rrrrrrrrrrrryan on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @11:40AM (#38614564)
> You have to pay taxes.

You can vote not to though.

The argument of getting something for the taxes you pay is made because people can vote away taxes.

But yes, it's a troubling argument, because once people start thinking that way they feel like they're owed something. Large swaths of the elderly and the infirm may not be paying taxes but are absolutely owed things that often cost money just because they're a fellow citizen and a member of our society.