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Re:Epic win: Jury decides Google has illegal monopoly in app... by AnimalMuppet on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @08:45AM (#38611959)
Both are bad for consumers, but one is worse.

A locked garden is a locked garden. But a locked garden that you go into knowing it's a locked garden is better than a locked garden that advertises itself as open and then locks you in. Both are locked gardens; one is also false advertising.

Re:Epic win: Jury decides Google has illegal monopoly in app... by gspencley on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @10:14AM (#38613207)
> But a locked garden that you go into knowing it's a locked garden is better

Out of curiosity, say that I'm not a techie that knows all about Apple vs alternatives ... and say I'm interested in buying Apple because I like the aesthetics of the device or something. Is there anything actually explicit in Apple's marketing that makes it clear to the consumer that they are buying into a "locked garden" ?

Part of this discussion has to do with definitions and what we're talking about, specifically. It's common in other industries to find yourself with some degree of vendor lock-in for "compatibility." I bought some high end Canon camera lenses, for example, so I have zero expectations that I can use those lenses with a Sony or a Nikon. I tend to buy Dewalt tools because I own Dewalt batteries etc.

Here we're talking about the "App Store." I don't know that it would register on the average non-techie's mind to assume they would have options ... but us techies know that the "locked garden" tends to mean "you're buying into the Apple ecosystem of products and will likely be stuck only buying Apple products for compatibility sake." Non techies might assume that because they assume that everything works that way. But is Apple making this extremely clear in their marketing so that people who don't assume would know up front? I'm genuinely curious since I don't buy Apple products.

Re:Epic win: Jury decides Google has illegal monopoly in app... by freedomben on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @10:24AM (#38613344)
Agreed, and also worth pointing out that Apple has rules for apps in the app store that they aren't allowed to tell you about Apple's cut and point you to a different place to buy. That is the absolute opposite of informing the user. Apple is preventing anybody from informing the user.
Re:Epic win: Jury decides Google has illegal monopoly in app... by rpdillon on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @09:15AM (#38612321)
I don't think it's false advertising to say that Android has alternative app stores. I primarily use apps from an alternative store and it works well.
Re:Epic win: Jury decides Google has illegal monopoly in app... by matheusmoreira on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @10:45AM (#38613671)
Gotta agree with you. I originally chose Android because it was relatively open but Google wiped out our freedom with hardware remote attestation. Now my bank app refuses to work if I modify my device in any way.

If I must be in a walled garden, I'm choosing the better kept one. Android is quite simply inferior, I tolerated it because it gave me relative freedom but there's no reason to tolerate it any longer.

Re:Epic win: Jury decides Google has illegal monopoly in app... by vegita on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @11:48AM (#38614694)
Yea. I'm on Samsung s22 ultra myself. I'm thinking to move to Iphone and Apple Watch because at least with apple I know I'm being locked down up front.