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Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by davesque on Monday December 11, 2023 @07:23PM (#38607456)
I mean, I remember how things were before fentanyl came around (as an outside observer, not as a user) and heroin was a horrible, life-destroying drug addiction back then as well. And I think it was and is convincingly argued that it is much more addictive than alcohol.
Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by nine_k on Monday December 11, 2023 @07:48PM (#38607656)
Opioids keep the top spot of addictiveness. The second place firmly belongs to nicotine. It's way more addictive than. say, cocaine.

Why not ban nicotine, by the same logic as heroin?

The key difference is that nicotine is a mere stimulant, while heroin alters your perception, it literally changes the way you see good and bad, because it's the ultimate feel-good substance. I have zero qualms about legalizing LSD, psilocybin, ketamine, etc. Likely even cocaine. But legalization of opioids would require a lot of preliminary work, to somehow allow the addicts function in a socially compatible way when badly wanting a dose.

It must be noted that a physiological addiction to opiates does not form from a first dose, and not even from the first ten doses, so infrequent recreational use is possible, given a right psychological preparation. This is similar to alcohol.

Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by imstate on Monday December 11, 2023 @10:10PM (#38608878)
> Why not ban nicotine, by the same logic as heroin?

because nicotine doesn't increase crime rates on society.

Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by etchalon on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @01:58AM (#38610449)
Nicotine is also legal, safe-per-dose and easy to get.
Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by dh2022 on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @12:48AM (#38609980)
Because smokers can hold jobs and are productive members of society. Unlike meth and heroin, nicotine does not make people attack other people, does not make people miss work, does not make people irresponsible.
Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by tdeck on Monday December 11, 2023 @07:36PM (#38607563)
It's my understanding that street drugs like Heroin were frequently cut to varying, sometimes unpredictable degrees prior to the introduction of fentanyl. So you could still easily misjudge your dose and OD due to the lack of any kind of consistency. Presumably this would also make it even harder to try to taper off the addiction gradually.