Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use
by InSteady on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @12:35AM
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Plenty of people on the streets want all kinds of help. They don't want shit programs with a million hoops and strings attached, nor do they want gross dilapidated shelters also with hoops and strings plus predators prowling around looking to steal their shit (or worse) while they sleep.
Also, while the whole rock bottom trope probably holds some truth for many people, when you make every story all about it you kind of lose the plot. If you try hard enough, you can look at just about anyone's life who has recovered from addiction and create a narrative based on an upward trend after the "worst" moment or period of their addiction. If they had two periods that were basically exactly as bad, you dig around until you find some trivial reason to label the second period as worse, and thus the "real bottom." If someone had their worst period of addiction many years before they actually got to a place where they could maintain sobriety long term it was just a long journey for them. Etc.
Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use
by hifreq on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @01:06AM
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You are absolutely right. Plenty of people on the street want money and drugs for free with no strings attached. It's inhumane to deprive them of that.
Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use
by lazyasciiart on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @12:40AM
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The 0th problem is that you’re actually completely wrong.
Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use
by uoaei on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @01:36AM
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Did you learn all these fantastic insights watching reality shows on TLC?
Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use
by Consultant32452 on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @07:48AM
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TLC told me to keep doing more of what is failing in Portland and San Francisco.
The first problem is that the people we're really talking about, the ones living/defecating/etc on the street do not want help.
The second problem is that in order to want to get better, an addict has to hit their personal rock bottom. Programs that keep people floating above their personal rock bottom are like family members enabling addicts. It ultimately doesn't help them.
It's VERY difficult to create social programs that help people want to not be ill, while simultaneously not letting them fall to their own rock bottom.
And then consider the position from the legislature of creating incentives for government programs/NGOs which align with the desired outcomes and it becomes expoentially harder.