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Re:Beeper Mini is back by segasaturn on Monday December 11, 2023 @03:54PM (#38605371)
>Why does everybody feel entitled to use it if they're not using Apple products?

Because I want to talk to my friends without being locked into Apple's ecosystem. Simple as that, I don't need any other reason.

This language about "entitlement" feels like when Google complains about people using adblockers on YT - I don't care because they're both $2T corporations, and the only "entitlement" I see is the way Apple and Google think they're entitled to my money and my data.

Re:Beeper Mini is back by rezonant on Monday December 11, 2023 @04:16PM (#38605587)
Yes! All I hear when entitlement comes up is "Why do you feel entitled to text message your iPhone friends if you don't use an iPhone?"
Re:Beeper Mini is back by toss1 on Monday December 11, 2023 @04:26PM (#38605723)
because there IS an open SMS standard, and Apple has hijacked all their phones to use iMessage in it's closed ecosystem, saying to the rest of the world: "Go Fork Yourselves".

So, right back at ya, Apple. If you cannot make it by distinguishing your products on their MERITS vs the amount of lock-in you can generate, I feel no reason to help protect your brand, or access to it

Re:Beeper Mini is back by bogantech on Monday December 11, 2023 @04:13PM (#38605562)
> Because I want to talk to my friends without being locked into Apple's ecosystem. Simple as that, I don't need any other reason.

You can't do that now with SMS and a plethora of other messaging apps?

Re:Beeper Mini is back by abrouwers on Monday December 11, 2023 @04:16PM (#38605588)
I think the "send my grandmother non-pixelated photos of my kid using the default messaging app" is a fair ask.
Re:Beeper Mini is back by selectodude on Monday December 11, 2023 @04:30PM (#38605781)
She doesn’t have an email address? You’re not in a walled garden, just self host it and send her a link.
Re:Beeper Mini is back by abrouwers on Monday December 11, 2023 @06:43PM (#38607053)
Sure, I can print and mail her the picture, too - the point is convenience. Sometimes, people want to send photos back and forth, too, so asking the technical user of the two to setup a host isn't a solution.

(But I'm guessing you already knew that)

Re:Beeper Mini is back by segasaturn on Monday December 11, 2023 @05:28PM (#38606341)
You're really suggesting that Android users go back to 1996 just to talk to their friends and relatives who use iPhones?
Re:Beeper Mini is back by raydev on Monday December 11, 2023 @04:28PM (#38605747)
Why are you entitled to use Apple's messaging servers without paying for access?
Re:Beeper Mini is back by wmf on Monday December 11, 2023 @04:31PM (#38605783)
People are willing to pay but Apple won't take their money.
Re:Beeper Mini is back by raydev on Monday December 11, 2023 @06:34PM (#38606976)
Is this an answer to my question? I’m allowed to add more load and increase your infrastructure costs just because you won’t take my money in the way I want you to?
Re:Beeper Mini is back by wmf on Monday December 11, 2023 @07:11PM (#38607335)
The argument is that iMessage is a de facto monopoly utility and should be operated accordingly.