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Re:Tech firms failing to 'walk the walk' on ethical AI, repo... by logicchains on Sunday December 10, 2023 @11:57AM (#38592923)
These "biases" in data are a reflection of reality. If by default an LLM refers to engineers as "he" more than "she", it's because engineers are more likely to be male than female. Most people would prefer an AI whose model of reality matches actual reality rather than one that matches what some Silicon Valley leftists think reality should be. Those biases are only a problem if you think the main purpose of an AI is to moralise.
Re:Tech firms failing to 'walk the walk' on ethical AI, repo... by coldbrewed on Sunday December 10, 2023 @12:18PM (#38593099)
This is patently false. GPT-4 will have more information pertaining to North America than to Africa because there is more training data available for North America than Africa. That's not a reflection of reality; that's a reflection of the distribution of computers and wealth.

> If by default an LLM refers to engineers as "he" more than "she", it's because engineers are more likely to be male than female.

That's a great point to raise, thank you for mentioning it. This really is the crux - machine models crystallize _current_ bias and amplify it. Most programmers in the early days of computers were women, but were displaced over time. Should the training data reflect the bias of the dominance of women in the early days, the dominance of men now, or some other combination?

> Most people would prefer an AI whose model of reality matches actual reality

Training data is not reality; training data is training data. It will fundamentally lag behind reality, and it will have a bias towards past conditions and precedents.

Re:Tech firms failing to 'walk the walk' on ethical AI, repo... by uxp100 on Sunday December 10, 2023 @12:00PM (#38592948)
LLMs have no way to access reality.
Re:Tech firms failing to 'walk the walk' on ethical AI, repo... by anon7725 on Sunday December 10, 2023 @12:05PM (#38592987)
Reality != whatever gets mentioned the most on the internet
Re:Tech firms failing to 'walk the walk' on ethical AI, repo... by logicchains on Sunday December 10, 2023 @12:09PM (#38593032)
The "AI ethicists" aren't trying to make AI better match reality, they're trying to make it match how they think reality should be.
Re:Tech firms failing to 'walk the walk' on ethical AI, repo... by michaelt on Sunday December 10, 2023 @03:19PM (#38594641)
> These "biases" in data are a reflection of reality.

You do realise, if you command an LLM to talk like a caveman it doesn't invent a time machine, travel back in time and research how cavemen actually talked; it just produces the "me hit with rock" that redditors imagine a caveman would have talked like.