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Re:The pro-Israel information war by rendall on Saturday December 09, 2023 @03:05AM (#38579753)
My condolences again. I'm neither Israeli nor Jewish, and I don't personally know anyone directly affected by the attack (as far as I know), but what makes this attack particularly nightmarish for me personally is the world reaction. One can expect indifference. It's far away, another awful atrocity among so many, whatever. But to aggressively, actively deny. Aggressively, actively assume the worst about the victims. To publish long-form articles on the ways the Jewish-oops-Zionist-cabal "control the narrative" and then see that article show up here on the front page of HN. To see the founder of YC tweet out snarky comments like "Its a grim day 31 Israeli children and thousands of Palestinian children are dead". Ivy league students, professors chanting for genocide of Jews, and their Presidents' equivocate before the nation and the world about whether this is harassment. HRW, having an opportunity to unequivocally condemn an atrocity of such depravity, instead both-sides it as if Israel is somehow complicit. Everyone completely ignoring whatever Israel explains about its actions as obvious lies without actually doing the work of falsification. And even here, where a simple human offering of condolence gets some nasty denizen making nasty accusations. What is nightmarish to me is how deep the rot goes.

So, my condolences to you and the families for the children and other victims. My condolences extends to the world at large. There is a loss is innocence here, for me.

But Israelis do have rock solid allies out here.

Re:The pro-Israel information war by dotancohen on Saturday December 09, 2023 @03:18AM (#38579825)
Thank you. I was literally crying typing here. I appreciate you replying back.
Re:The pro-Israel information war by mhalberstram on Saturday December 09, 2023 @07:27AM (#38581399)
This kind of lying is playing in the hands of Holocaust deniers. Some people might be simple minded enough to fall for it, but the majority of people listening to you can see right through it.
Re:The pro-Israel information war by mhalberstram on Saturday December 09, 2023 @07:24AM (#38581383)
I mean, the guy speaks about a fake blood libel that has been debunked and for which no proof exists. At least I did the effort to share reliable sources instead of manipulating people's emotions to justify genocide.

On the other hand you have a military superpower killing more than 10k women and children, in the name of atrocities that Israeli journalists found to have been mostly fabricated, most of them killed using weapons built by people browsing here, with actual proofs from leading journals and ONGs around the world, but you decide to get angry at PG just for pointing out actual numbers.

Maybe you're not a white supremacist Rendall Koski, but you sure act like one, which seems to be a common trait amongst Israeli allies anyway.

Re:The pro-Israel information war by rendall on Saturday December 09, 2023 @09:22AM (#38582129)
Nah. White supremacists hate Jews and do not argue for Israel. You know this. Jews including Ashkenazi and Palestinians are genetically similar, and Israel is a non-white nation, including Mizrahi, Muslim, Druze, and Ethiopians.

No, white supremacists argue without mitigation against Israel.

Re:The pro-Israel information war by mhalberstram on Saturday December 09, 2023 @09:40AM (#38582270)
I believe you mean Sephardi Jews, Ashkenazi Jews are mostly of European descent. And if you knew any Sephardi Israelis, like some of my coworkers, you'd know they mostly feel treated differently. I don't know any Ethiopians Israelis, but it seems to be worse for them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Israel

> Some elements within the Ashkenazi Israeli Jewish population have also been described as holding discriminatory attitudes towards fellow Jews of other backgrounds, including against Ethiopian Jews, Indian Jews, Mizrahi Jews, Sephardi Jews, etc. Although intermarriage between Ashkenazim and Sephardim/Mizrahim is increasingly common in Israel, and social integration is constantly improving, disparities continue to persist. Ethiopian Jews in particular have faced discrimination from non-Black Jews. It has been suggested that the situation of the Ethiopian Jews as 'becoming white' is similar to that of some European immigrants like Poles and Italians who arrived in the United States in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.

You'd be surprised to know most white supremacists are pro-Israel (including the original German Nazi party, guess which side most white supremacist political parties are?), mostly because they see it as a way to get Jewish people out of their country and keep the Middle-East destabilized.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

Re:The pro-Israel information war by rendall on Saturday December 09, 2023 @10:56AM (#38582917)
I believe you have very strong and firmly held opinions about that which you know very little. Unfortunately extremely common these days.

I said Mizrahi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews

"You'd be surprised to know most white supremacists are pro-Israel (including the original German Nazi party"

At first. Then al-Husseini met the Nazis and they worked out an agreement.

But I honestly don't think you're actually interested in the history of the region, so I'll spare you and I the lecture. If you're accusing Israel of lying about October 7th, you won't be interested nor believe any mitigating facts.

Re:The pro-Israel information war by dang on Saturday December 09, 2023 @11:27AM (#38583206)
Please don't perpetuate flamewars like this. You broke the site guidelines as well. I realize the other commenter was being provocative, but that doesn't make it ok.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re:The pro-Israel information war by dang on Saturday December 09, 2023 @11:26AM (#38583197)
We've banned this account. You can't attack another user like that here, no matter how wrong they are or you feel they are.

Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with. It will eventually get your main account banned as well.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html