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Re:Verizon fell for fake "search warrant," gave victim's pho... by jonhohle on Friday December 08, 2023 @08:55PM (#38577573)
That’s the thing with laws, they don’t prevent crime, they just enumerate it.

Any time I hear a politician say they are going to reduce a particular crime by passing a law, I wonder why existing laws aren’t enforced that likely already cover the behavior being targeted. I suppose that would mean planning, logistics, and execution - things politicians don’t know how to do.

Re:Verizon fell for fake "search warrant," gave victim's pho... by bawolff on Friday December 08, 2023 @09:35PM (#38577896)
Laws enumerate both punidhment and ways to do things. The latter can prevent crimes.

E.g. there is a law saying you cant serve alcohol to minors. That in and of itself doesnt prevent beyond threat of punishment if caught.

There is also a law saying you have to check ids. Procedures like that do have a preventitive effect.

Re:Verizon fell for fake "search warrant," gave victim's pho... by bbarnett on Friday December 08, 2023 @09:15PM (#38577733)
There is most definitely a section of society which is held in check by laws, and their outcome.

Those that do not fit the above, having no impulse control, or perhaps mental issues, then laws result in stuffing them away.

It's not perfect. Yet every human society does this, and has done this for millenia. Consider that.

Re:Verizon fell for fake "search warrant," gave victim's pho... by willy_k on Friday December 08, 2023 @09:30PM (#38577861)
Don’t you think it’s disingenuous to reduce “law breakers” to those people?
Re:Verizon fell for fake "search warrant," gave victim's pho... by bbarnett on Saturday December 09, 2023 @12:15AM (#38578826)
Two categories, with no statement that this was all categories. And, one of the two categories are not law breakers at all, merely held in check by fear of laws.

Note I was responding to someone who effectly said laws don't prevent crime, and citing ways they do. Understand the context. My statement was not a 200 page dissertation on "those who might break laws" and a deep dive into societal ethics, etc.

Re:Verizon fell for fake "search warrant," gave victim's pho... by peyton on Friday December 08, 2023 @10:36PM (#38578291)
This story is about a dude who drove 30–40 hours to kill somebody and still had a quarter ounce of meth left in his Jeep when he got caught. He should serve some time.
Re:Verizon fell for fake "search warrant," gave victim's pho... by pixl97 on Saturday December 09, 2023 @02:18PM (#38584929)
> they don’t prevent crime, they just enumerate it.

This isn't always correct and is rather myopic.

Quite often laws will issue punishments for some behaviors, but also issue things like funding for programs that work on the roots of why particular crimes occur.

Now, laws that punish post ad hoc are always easier to measure and see, because it's much harder to prove that you prevented something that only had a probability of happening in the first place.

Re:Verizon fell for fake "search warrant," gave victim's pho... by NoLsAfterMid on Saturday December 09, 2023 @06:26PM (#38587273)
> Quite often laws will issue punishments for some behaviors, but also issue things like funding for programs that work on the roots of why particular crimes occur.

That still requires enforcement. The existence of a law does not imply existence of enforcement, much less wide-spread enforcement (see e.g. wage theft, auto breakins, petty theft, etc).