Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by remh on Thursday December 07, 2023 @09:48PM (#38564834)

So many comments in here using the context of US cities and missed that Amsterdam (like most big european cities) is not designed for high throughput car transportation and as a result painting that decision as making things "crazy slow" and that it "sounds terrible".

I highly encourage you to go live a week in a big old european city (Paris, London, Berlin, Amsterdam, Madrid) without renting a car to understand why it's not a crazy decision and how it can make the life of the residents so much better.

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Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by BlarfMcFlarf on Thursday December 07, 2023 @10:09PM (#38564998)

Amsterdam notably was designed for cars in the 70s afaik, but they consciously redesigned it over time. So I’m a few decades, it could be your American city.

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Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by dex69420 on Thursday December 07, 2023 @11:55PM (#38565607)

American cities are built to benefit the people who pay for them. They don’t revamp things to benefit the poors.

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Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by earthling8118 on Friday December 08, 2023 @09:22AM (#38569357)

An odd take, seeing as it is generally the poorer areas that are subsidizing the richer people's lifestyles. Not the other way around.

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Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by wpm on Friday December 08, 2023 @09:42AM (#38569593)

The city itself is often subsidizing the suburbs around them that bring all the congestion in. Car-oriented suburbs are hugely inefficient.

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Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by jacquesm on Thursday December 07, 2023 @10:56PM (#38565264)

No, they tried that but aborted the plan, fortunately.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokinen_Plan

But not until they did quite a bit of damage, some of which remains today. If that idiot had had his way a lot of the historical city would have been destroyed.

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Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by oska on Thursday December 07, 2023 @11:47PM (#38565566)

Unfortunately, idiots in many other cities around the world did have their way at that time

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Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by 65a on Thursday December 07, 2023 @10:45PM (#38565185)

I mean it was quite clearly designed for water traffic first. I wouldn't describe it as designed for cars in comparison to say Los Angeles or Kansas City.

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Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by Tomis02 on Thursday December 07, 2023 @10:51PM (#38565228)

Los Angeles was also not designed for cars. It was demolished for cars, as the saying goes.

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Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by jacquesm on Thursday December 07, 2023 @10:56PM (#38565266)

The water traffic was the equivalent of today's trucks.

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Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by 65a on Thursday December 07, 2023 @11:11PM (#38565350)

Probably more efficient in some ways, definitely better for the environment.

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Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by jochem9 on Friday December 08, 2023 @03:01AM (#38566487)

Pretty much all of Amsterdam is pre-WW2 or older. Only the parts outside the A10 ringroad tend to be post war and more car friendly.

There were indeed plans to bulldoze large parts of the old city and build highways and high rises, but after many protests almost no plans were executed.

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Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by dex69420 on Thursday December 07, 2023 @11:55PM (#38565604)

Tbh I don’t know if Amsterdam is a city or a country but it doesn’t matter.

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Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by thinkingemote on Friday December 08, 2023 @04:10AM (#38566911)

Exactly. most of the roads in Amsterdam will have people driving on them at or below that speed without any official limit.

I imagine bicycles may exceed the limit now.

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Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by nemoniac on Friday December 08, 2023 @06:28AM (#38567748)

The 30 km/h limit will apply to all vehicles, including bicycles and in particular electric "fat" bikes which have become a particular problem in the city lately.

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