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Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by charcircuit on Thursday December 07, 2023 @09:43PM (#38564786)
In the US it wouldn't make sense. Spending 2 hours to go to the grocery store and back just on the travelling part would be a big commitment whenever you needed to go.
Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by Kim_Bruning on Thursday December 07, 2023 @10:02PM (#38564954)
Amsterdam won't have just 30 km/h roads. Those are just for the last mile.

On the other hand, in Amsterdam there's usually going to be some sort of grocery store somewhere in walking or biking distance; and a lot of train stations have grocery stores too, so you can just pick up some last minute shopping on the way back from work for instance.

Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by quickthrower2 on Thursday December 07, 2023 @10:01PM (#38564947)
30km/h makes sense on urban roads. If you need to go 15-30km to get to your grocery store you probably live a lifestyle where you plan that trip, use a freezer and so on. Unless that trip happens to be a motorway/freeway.

Fast motorways are incredibly safe because no pedestrians and energy absorbing crash barriers and traffic control/monitoring. There are exceptions e.g. where there is fog for example.

Fast roads in cities should ideally be designed so it is really hard for pedestrians to get on them except at the intersections.

Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by Tomis02 on Thursday December 07, 2023 @10:46PM (#38565195)
> Spending 2 hours to go to the grocery store and back

That usually indicates your city is a huge suburbia with a few skyscrapers in the middle.

Bad city design leads to bad results, and a higher speed limit won't solve your problems.

Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by kermitdekikker on Friday December 08, 2023 @12:31AM (#38565767)
Indeed. Just to put a number on that, the average distance to a supermarket is 400 meter (~1300 feet) in Amsterdam.
Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by Kim_Bruning on Friday December 08, 2023 @02:02AM (#38566180)
When giving rough estimates of distance, yards and meters are often close enough to substitute. (400 meters ~= 437 yards ~~= 400 yards)
Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by 28304283409234 on Friday December 08, 2023 @03:08AM (#38566521)
Taking the car to do grocery shopping does not even exist in Amsterdam. We have bikes and healthy minds and bodies.