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Re:Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and ... by freedomben on Thursday December 07, 2023 @11:13AM (#38558062)
Some people I know despise their unions and union leadership. How would you structure it so that people aren't forced to support a union they hate?
Re:Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and ... by slantedview on Thursday December 07, 2023 @11:22AM (#38558214)
Opt-in by default.

Not all unions are great, but the median unionized worker earns more than a non-unionized worker in the same field. So the main reason people wouldn't want to join a union is because they've been conditioned to think they're bad, against their own economic interests.

Re:Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and ... by throwawa14223 on Thursday December 07, 2023 @11:34AM (#38558402)
I feel like you're reducing everything to material conditions. Joining a union would (statistically) help me economically but my objections to being in a union again are all moral convictions. Perhaps workers are optimizing for concerns you do not share?
Re:Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and ... by slantedview on Thursday December 07, 2023 @12:37PM (#38559291)
Yes, I am reducing unions to economic concerns, but I should mention that most people's "moral" objection to unions is conditioned by parties whose interest is solely economic. When the Koch foundation buys airtime on news programs (effectively) to spread the idea that unions are evil and striking is immoral, it's not because they actually care about morals, it's because unions shift the economic playing field in a way that they don't like.
Re:Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and ... by BobaFloutist on Thursday December 07, 2023 @12:11PM (#38558940)
Is your moral objection that you're opposed to improved material conditions?
Re:Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and ... by throwawa14223 on Thursday December 07, 2023 @12:20PM (#38559078)
I believe I should follow my word. Striking violates my principles.
Re:Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and ... by BobaFloutist on Thursday December 07, 2023 @12:22PM (#38559099)
Would it be ok if you were upfront about the possibility of striking? That seems like a very achievable adaptation.
Re:Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and ... by throwawa14223 on Thursday December 07, 2023 @12:26PM (#38559156)
I think that would be acceptable to me assuming I had assurances I wouldn't be asked to participate or be represented by union actions that would be violent. No threats, no breaking things, no vandalism, etc.
Re:Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and ... by slantedview on Thursday December 07, 2023 @12:39PM (#38559316)
Strikes are generally non violent, and the majority of times that they become violent, it's instigated by strike breakers hired by the company (including police). There is over a hundred years of history of this - plenty for you to read if you want to learn more.
Re:Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and ... by bee_rider on Thursday December 07, 2023 @11:37AM (#38558444)
The same way we avoid forcing people to support companies they hate. People can always quit if they want.
Re:Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and ... by freedomben on Friday December 08, 2023 @10:37AM (#38570284)
This strikes me like the people who (after a big contentious election AKA every election) tell the people whose candidate lost, "if you don't like it, move to another country"

Except I think switching trades (which you would have to do since the union is all encompassing and forces membership) is a lot more onerous than emigrating, and emigration is no slice of cake.