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Re:Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows ... by Workaccount2 on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @12:02PM (#38546507)
At this point I would pay handsomely for an alternative to windows that isn't linux or macos.

I need windows sans microsoft.

Not a command line with partial graphical wrappers and not an OS exclusive to an overpriced line of propriety computers.

Windows but open source. Please.

Note:I have been on ubuntu for the past year, and hate it. Just like I hated whatever other distros the last 3 times I tried to switch in my life.

Re:Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows ... by treyd on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @12:05PM (#38546555)
What do you expect this would look like? That's a billion dollar project if you consider the scale of the people involved in making it happen. And it would likely be better of spent on improving Linux desktop UX, which many nontechnical people already don't have serious objections to.
Re:Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows ... by Workaccount2 on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @12:25PM (#38546868)
The core problem with linux is that it is built and maintained by people who love linux. It has lead to an OS that is great for grandmas and great for the linux tech nerd grandson who set it up for her.

But its an exercise in masochistic self flagellation to be a tech nerd with no interest in linux (learning OS structure and CLI syntax) to use it on a daily basis. Linux is extremely powerful via the command line. But I have no interest in learning/memorizing commands.

Re:Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows ... by rstuart4133 on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @05:39PM (#38550478)
> But its an exercise in masochistic self flagellation to be a tech nerd with no interest in linux (learning OS structure and CLI syntax)

Somewhat true. But ... it's also true for Windows. Did you see the post above? https://github.com/GoofGarage/Win11Clean. It's a very long list of instructions just to get the think installed in a way that keeps most of Microsoft's fingers out of your pockets and while keeping the familiar Windows interface. But if you follow it you will have a non-standard install, and later some overnight upgrade will break it.

Re:Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows ... by conor- on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @02:30PM (#38548382)
Linux is closer to being a generally accessible OS than ever before, especially with Valve pushing it as a 1st class platform for gaming.

A desktop environment like KDE is a fully modern, integrated desktop even down to being able to use KDE Connect to use your smart phone from your desktop.

You mentioned hating Ubuntu and 3 other distros, but really the fundamental differences between distros is mostly how they package software, and how frequently they downstream new software. Install something like Pop_OS, never touch a terminal and move on.

Re:Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows ... by treyd on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @12:51PM (#38547232)
> But I have no interest in learning/memorizing commands.

Of course they're UX issues that could be improved, especially with Canonical trying to push Snap on people, but I'm more inclined to believe many peoples' exasperation with the Linux desktop experience is really due to long-standing familiarity with Windows. The things you "have to learn" as an enthusiast coming from the Windows ecosystem are things that by its conventions are done through graphical interfaces. Which doesn't make them easier, you've just already memorized them.

Re:Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows ... by Workaccount2 on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @02:19PM (#38548277)
Yes, correct, exactly.

So I need someone to make an OS with the longstanding windows user in mind. Using a GUI absolutely is easier. I need drop down lists and check boxes. Mouse hover tips and visual menus. Not some cryptographic string of command line arguments that I am futilely copy+pasting from some random web page.

Re:Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows ... by treyd on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @03:40PM (#38549208)
It's easier to you because you're already familiar with it. But as someone that hasn't regularly used Windows in many years, I find performing administrative tasks and any kind of troubleshooting via Windows's opaque graphical interfaces to be a very manual and nail-pulling experience.

Additionally, graphical interfaces have a lot of downsides, as Microsoft themselves has discovered as evidenced by how over the past couple years they've been promoting PowerShell as a way to automate administrative tasks on Windows themselves and allow powerusers to pass around PowerShell invocations for quick fixes in the same way users of every other OS have for decades.

Re:Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows ... by JohnFen on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @12:45PM (#38547135)
> Linux is extremely powerful via the command line. But I have no interest in learning/memorizing commands.

It's entirely possible to install and use Linux without touching the command line, just like with Windows. The days where command-line skills were required passed a long while back.

Re:Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows ... by Workaccount2 on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @02:09PM (#38548176)
Hence why I added the line "great for grandmas".
Re:Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows ... by JohnFen on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @12:07PM (#38546596)
> I have been on ubuntu for the past year, and hate it.

Just FYI, I use Linux exclusively on my own machines and I hate Ubuntu as well.

Re:Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows ... by MiguelHudnandez on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @12:08PM (#38546613)
I suppose you want ReactOS https://reactos.org/
Re:Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows ... by josephcsible on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @12:05PM (#38546552)
What about ReactOS?
Re:Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows ... by timw4mail on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @01:21PM (#38547620)
ReactOS barely works...and last I knew it was at XP-level support for applications.
Re:Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows ... by jeditobe on Thursday December 07, 2023 @02:25AM (#38553799)
which version of ReactOS have you tried?
Re:Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows ... by wvenable on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @12:51PM (#38547225)
If Microsoft sold a Windows No-Bullsh*t Edition it would sell like hotcakes. The core OS is as solid as ever (it literally just gets better every year) but then they layer on all the "new" stuff and it's confusing, ugly, and buggy.

I'm not totally against change but there's a lot of change in Windows that just doesn't many sense.

Re:Microsoft Will Eventually Start Charging You for Windows ... by Falmarri on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @01:00PM (#38547334)
Try a distro with KDE, especially a rolling release distro like opensuse tumbleweed. KDE will feel a lot more like "good" windows.