News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Show HN: Why is the Amiga so beloved in the demoscene? (2... by leshokunin on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @11:58AM (#38546439)
The Amiga isn't remembered as a technology. It's the ancestor of "Mac vs PC". It's the little computer that could. Where indies would hack cool stuff. It had a well understood spec that didn't change so much, so you could push the metal to its limit.

It's from a time where if you wanted games and you were a kid, you most likely pirated them. Wanna learn to code? Start messing with your game's files and hex editors. The demoscene was where the cool kids came up with ways to push the limits, beyond commercial software. Beyond that oh so lame Microsoft PC.

It's remembered fondly because it's a way to congregate the people who were there. I never had an Amiga as a kid, my parents had a PC. But I still care about that community. It feels like my people, when I started computers.

Much like music has genres and some might be nostalgic, so does the demoscene. It just doesn't get as many releases as on Spotify.

Respect to all the groups still making content for it. I'll share my favorite recent one, by TheBlackLotus https://youtu.be/W5_NMxW5UfE

Re:Show HN: Why is the Amiga so beloved in the demoscene? (2... by HumblyTossed on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @12:31PM (#38546946)
The Amiga was a hotrod to eveyone else's sedan, basically.
Re:Show HN: Why is the Amiga so beloved in the demoscene? (2... by falalalala on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @04:21PM (#38549625)
An all-Ford comparison: While IBM PC was an Econoline, Apple Macintosh was an Escort and Commodore 64 a Pinto, but Amiga was a flashy Mustang.
Re:Show HN: Why is the Amiga so beloved in the demoscene? (2... by kstrauser on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @12:03PM (#38546522)
If you haven’t seen Black Lotus demos yet, stop what you’re doing and click that link. It left me speechless.
Re:Show HN: Why is the Amiga so beloved in the demoscene? (2... by leshokunin on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @12:35PM (#38547004)
I remember when it came out and I was like oh neat demo. Is this a 64k or something? Then it clicked. Madness. It's not just beautiful code, it's stylish too.
Re:Show HN: Why is the Amiga so beloved in the demoscene? (2... by technothrasher on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @12:34PM (#38546991)
> It's the ancestor of "Mac vs PC".

I don't know if I'd call it an ancestor. When I first saw the Amiga 1000 introduction articles in the computer magazines in 1985, the Mac vs PC wars were already well entrenched and I had both a Mac and a PC. It didn't stop me from getting an Amiga 2000 in 87 when I'd saved up enough money though.

Re:Show HN: Why is the Amiga so beloved in the demoscene? (2... by leshokunin on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @12:38PM (#38547040)
I hear you. I needed an analogy that most of the people here would be familiar with and it's the best I had. Agreed it's not the best :)
Re:Show HN: Why is the Amiga so beloved in the demoscene? (2... by Lio on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @01:00PM (#38547338)
> It's the ancestor of "Mac vs PC".

That's an odd turn of phrase considering that both the Mac and the PC predate the Amiga.

If anything surely the Mac's Ridley Scott directed launch Super Bowl ad was the start of "Mac vs PC".

People loved the Amiga because it had a lot of modern features for the time and was reasonably priced. You're definitely right, it's the little computer that could.

The demo scene loved the Amiga because a lot of hardware features were left undocumented ready for you to discover and wow your friends with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zfqw8nhUwA

Re:Show HN: Why is the Amiga so beloved in the demoscene? (2... by kstrauser on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @02:37PM (#38548458)
> That's an odd turn of phrase considering that both the Mac and the PC predate the Amiga.

Technically true. The PC definitely predates both, but the first Mac launched in 1984 and the first Amiga in 1985. They were very much contemporaries.

Re:Show HN: Why is the Amiga so beloved in the demoscene? (2... by zozbot234 on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @02:35PM (#38548434)
The Atari ST was even more reasonably priced, but of course it lacked the Amiga's custom hardware chipset so it was a lot more boring on the gaming and multimedia front.
Re:Show HN: Why is the Amiga so beloved in the demoscene? (2... by pjmlp on Thursday December 07, 2023 @02:51AM (#38553948)
And did not support properly colour on its first iterations.
Re:Show HN: Why is the Amiga so beloved in the demoscene? (2... by sillywalk on Thursday December 07, 2023 @03:09PM (#38561181)
> The Atari ST

I remember these commercials, because they were on a VHS recording I had of Back to the Future, along with a brief news clip of the only Soviet Shuttle flight.

Amiga 500 commercial (1988)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2KiNpqATUY

Atari 1040ST Computer Commercial 1988 With 1 Megabyte Of Memory!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdumpLhvqMU

Re:Show HN: Why is the Amiga so beloved in the demoscene? (2... by leshokunin on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @01:26PM (#38547692)
I'm referring to the I'm a Mac ads, which came much later.
Re:Show HN: Why is the Amiga so beloved in the demoscene? (2... by pjmlp on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @02:12PM (#38548213)
We had Amiga vs Atari vs PC instead. :)
Re:Show HN: Why is the Amiga so beloved in the demoscene? (2... by leshokunin on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @04:20PM (#38549613)
Exactly. Sure you guys has the better color palette, but we have cd rom.

sweeps config.sys under the rug