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Re:An Open Letter to the Python Software Foundation by Takennickname on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @06:32AM (#38542577)
It's a grant, not an entitlement.
Re:An Open Letter to the Python Software Foundation by gwd on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @06:38AM (#38542608)
Then say "no" quickly so that they can look for other funding. [EDIT] And be honest about the fact that Africans (or more charitably, countries that have particular laws or a particular pattern of enforcement) Need Not Apply.
Re:An Open Letter to the Python Software Foundation by bruce343434 on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @07:04AM (#38542765)
>And be honest about the fact that Africans Need Not Apply

I have the hunch that that is what it came down to, a matter of public perception. Shunt africa, or shunt lgbt? Both "important minority identities" in the current zeitgeist of the western world. Probably no one wanted to touch that decision with a 10 ft pole.

Re:An Open Letter to the Python Software Foundation by jsmeaton on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @07:14AM (#38542843)
The open letter states it was a single individual that was able to stonewall the process. It wasn’t about the PSF group as a whole that didn’t want to touch the decision. One person. I think the letter has a fairly good point that processes are broken if this is possible.
Re:An Open Letter to the Python Software Foundation by cobertos on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @08:16AM (#38543424)
It doesn't seem like it was so simple as the open letter puts it? From the boards blog post

https://pyfound.blogspot.com/2023/10/september-october-board...

The first vote had 6 abstentions and 4 yes votes. The second vote had 10 yes votes and 1 abstention. It seemed there was enough outstanding information/questions for 6 total people to abstain, though perhaps 1 of those 6 was using it nefariously? Hard to say

Re:An Open Letter to the Python Software Foundation by ttyprintk on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @08:07AM (#38543333)
I have to guess that, based on the meeting minutes posted nearby, the one vote needed to reach 5/10 vote is what this is referring to. The minutes explain a high number of abstentions. The chair of the PSF board was one of the Zanzibar organizers, for example.
Re:An Open Letter to the Python Software Foundation by layer8 on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @07:19AM (#38542878)
How many LGBT Python developers would actually feel shunted by the PSF sponsoring a conference in Zanzibar?
Re:An Open Letter to the Python Software Foundation by danpalmer on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @06:39AM (#38542620)
It's also done with the aim of helping put on an effective event and supporting the community, if the grant status is unknown until weeks before, that goal is severely undermined.

I doubt the authors of this would have had a problem with being rejected 3 months before the event, at least that would be some certainty and they could cancel or seek alternative funding.

Re:An Open Letter to the Python Software Foundation by dilawar on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @06:37AM (#38542603)
True but I'd have appreciated if they said no to the grant earlier.

I hope Python Africa has learnt it lesson and will find ways to manage resources locally. That the only way to succeed in long run.

Re:An Open Letter to the Python Software Foundation by anewhnaccount2 on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @06:42AM (#38542638)
So PSF is not a global organisation. Africa need not apply is a pretty bad look.
Re:An Open Letter to the Python Software Foundation by mdew on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @07:16AM (#38542865)
Then when you tell Westerners that Africans are trying to "develop their continent" themselves, but they face various kinds of hurdles towards this objective, they will only dismiss it and say it's just that they are incapable of developing anything...
Re:An Open Letter to the Python Software Foundation by paganel on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @07:27AM (#38542954)
So what's the PSF for, then? Looks like supporting the spread of Python the language in geographical spaces like Africa should be at the top of their priorities list, at least by looking at current demographic trends, and not to invest in another boring Python conference held in Nowhere, OH, or in Neinpinkelsburg, Northern Rhenanina.
Re:An Open Letter to the Python Software Foundation by ttyprintk on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @07:49AM (#38543152)
> to support and facilitate the growth of a diverse and international community of Python programmers.

A lot of comments are related to whether an alternative pan-African PSF would define diversity differently. If so, then a Eurocentric PSF might prefer conferences elsewhere.