> Where is their success
Huh what? I use Firefox and I'm actually very happy with it.
Somehow, I don't think a single person enjoying the browser justifies 6 Million dollars a year in executive overhead alone.
That's what what success means in this context: Something that makes that expense worthwhile.
Re:Firefox on the Brink?
by sleepybrett on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @12:22PM
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... what about two people though?
Re:Firefox on the Brink?
by FirmwareBurner on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @10:00AM
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We clearly have different definitions of what product and business success represents for a large tech company.
Re:Firefox on the Brink?
by benjaminsuch on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @10:06AM
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Sure, but this is not the criteria for a company to be successful or not.
Since when do you get to define the criteria?
I'm a happy user, I consider that a success in my book.
The point is that less and less people use Firefox, so there seems to be a problem with success in that area, even if you are someone who still uses it (as am I).
Re:Firefox on the Brink?
by tomashubelbauer on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @10:29AM
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I am also a happy Firefox user, but that doesn't preclude me from seeing that Mozilla is a failing steward of Firefox.
and what about their book?
inability to put yourself into someone else's shoes, is a very big flag. A red one in my book.
Re:Firefox on the Brink?
by magicalhippo on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @10:33AM
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As a happy Firefox user, I want Firefox to make me happy tomorrow as well, not just today.
Performance of Firefox has steadily gotten worse lately. My bank's website has massive lag when scrolling (1 second to redraw? Great!), but it works perfectly fine in Chrome. Firefox also gets into a state where screen updates in Streeview are laggy after anywhere from a few hours to a couple of days, but I can't figure out a way to predictably reproduce it on demand. Meanwhile, Chrome is snappy all the time. I also have to manually enable one of the acceleration settings under Linux. The end result is that I'm forced to use Chrome more and more as the Firefox user experience just plain sucks in these scenarios.
Re:Firefox on the Brink?
by freedomben on Tuesday December 05, 2023 @11:40AM
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This is probably much more your bank's fault than it is FF. I think Mozilla has badly neglected FF to the point they probably deserve to die so a new org can take their place, but the blame for that most likely falls at the feet of the bank for not testing on FF.
These websites also keep adding bloat on top of bloat, hell, a goddamn button is 56 layers of nested divs these days instead of just styling the shit out of <button>.
Or they do some batshit insane "polyfill" nonsense that turns the <button> into 56 layers of nested divs behind the hood.
HTML hasn't caught up either, there's no <toggle_switch> that invokes the native toggle switch that every OS already has, devs are forced to mimic the toggle with 85 layers of nested divs.
Yeah, at successful high performing trillion dolar tech companies like Nvidia or Apple, not broke*ss underperforming companies like Mozilla.
>6M for a CEO doesn't sound unreasonable.
It's unreasonable when you take into account Mozilla's lack of performance over the years. Where is their success, other than being kept on life support by being bankrolled by Google who's doing it solely to avoid anti-trust litigations over their monopoly on the browser market.
In a way, this is actually harming Firefox, knowing that they'll always be funded no matter how their product performs, just so that Alphabet has a legal David to their Goliath, gives them little incentive to try to be competitive.