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Re:Harvard gutted team examining Facebook Files following $5... by jmull on Monday December 04, 2023 @11:35AM (#38519388)
If you're concerned about it, TFA and linked materials go into the potential casual connection. I don't think you can simply dismiss this without a critical examination because all the facts aren't in yet and the story isn't finished. Usually, a whistleblower complaint is really the start of things, not the end.

Hopefully, we'll see over time how much merit this has. It certainly seems worth investigating because we'd all really want to know if/how big donations to prestigious academic institutions can buy their research.

Re:Harvard gutted team examining Facebook Files following $5... by wzdd on Monday December 04, 2023 @11:59AM (#38519754)
"Following" is also a very common and well-understood English word which means that one thing happened after another, which is probably why journalists use it. Implying a suspected causal relationship by talking about a temporal relationship also happens very frequently in non-journalistic speech. Nobody is trying to trick you with this headline.
Re:Harvard gutted team examining Facebook Files following $5... by nkozyra on Monday December 04, 2023 @11:17AM (#38519117)
I'm not sure what word would be better since "after" carries the same implication.
Re:Harvard gutted team examining Facebook Files following $5... by prosqlinjector on Monday December 04, 2023 @11:18AM (#38519125)
Either make it clear you are speculating about two events being connected, or get evidence that links them.
Re:Harvard gutted team examining Facebook Files following $5... by lelandfe on Monday December 04, 2023 @11:23AM (#38519202)
Is a whistleblower’s report speculation?
Re:Harvard gutted team examining Facebook Files following $5... by prosqlinjector on Monday December 04, 2023 @11:40AM (#38519465)
The individual is using the same reasoning as the headline. They weren't getting the fund they wanted and noticed there was a donation recently. They are speculating that that's the cause of their lack of organization support.

"whistleblower" is a journalism word meant to imply who the good guy is and endow them with credibility. Rewriting the story with "employee files complaint" doesn't hit the same.

Re:Harvard gutted team examining Facebook Files following $5... by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF on Monday December 04, 2023 @02:26PM (#38521884)
> They weren't getting the fund they wanted and noticed there was a donation recently. They are speculating that that's the cause of their lack of organization support.

If this is really the evidence you think they're using I'd be willing to bet you didn't read their report: https://live-whistleblower-aid.pantheonsite.io/wp-content/up...

Sure, it's all anecdotal -- it is testimony, after all -- but much of it is backed up by email and text conversations. On the topic of a potential conflict of interest, what do you think about the personal relationship between Doug Elmendorf and Elliot Schrage?

Re:Harvard gutted team examining Facebook Files following $5... by hunter2_ on Monday December 04, 2023 @11:27AM (#38519263)
A casual reader may infer the same for both words, but "following" is much stronger. If I may take some liberties with usage: Following someone to a faraway place is much more likely to involve causation than going to that same place after they do.
Re:Harvard gutted team examining Facebook Files following $5... by kashunstva on Monday December 04, 2023 @11:26AM (#38519245)
It could be read that way; but it could be read as a simple temporal sequence, no? In either case, this is a press release from an organization which is advocating for the aggrieved party. I suppose any journalist who wanted to pickup this story would have to decide for themselves whether the language used in the press release goes too far or not when writing their story.
Re:Harvard gutted team examining Facebook Files following $5... by thomastjeffery on Monday December 04, 2023 @11:42AM (#38519489)
> In sending the lawful whistleblower disclosure to the President and General Counsel of Harvard University, the U.S. Department of Education, and subsequently to the Massachusetts Attorney General’s Office, Dr. Donovan and Whistleblower Aid are calling for an urgent and impartial investigation into inappropriate influence at the Harvard Kennedy School.

That's literally the point here.

Re:Harvard gutted team examining Facebook Files following $5... by dsco on Monday December 04, 2023 @11:22AM (#38519186)
That’s an astute observation. Without having any insight in the matter, statements like “the most important documents in the history of the internet” have me questioning how self-assured this team have been when assessing why Harvard put up a line of defence.
Re:Harvard gutted team examining Facebook Files following $5... by fkyoureadthedoc on Monday December 04, 2023 @11:30AM (#38519310)
That's a quote from the whistleblower, not something the article itself is asserting.
Re:Harvard gutted team examining Facebook Files following $5... by omginternets on Monday December 04, 2023 @11:46AM (#38519554)
Are you saying we shouldn't be suspicious of causality, here?
Re:Harvard gutted team examining Facebook Files following $5... by jasonlotito on Monday December 04, 2023 @11:43AM (#38519516)
> "Following" is a... word

Yes, you are correct, it's a word.

> journalism... is meant to imply causality without demonstration

That's not true at all.

It's easy to make claims when you are selective about what you read, ignore context, and make up lies.

> Either make it clear you are speculating about two events being connected, or get evidence that links them.

Says the person speculating about the definition of following used in this context.

Re:Harvard gutted team examining Facebook Files following $5... by prosqlinjector on Monday December 04, 2023 @01:53PM (#38521400)
Would you be persuaded by more examples of headlines using this technique?