Re:The first results from the biggest basic income experiment
by bee_rider on Sunday December 03, 2023 @12:13PM
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The landlords will still be in competition, anyone who breaks with the conventional wisdom will have an easier time getting tenants. It would probably raise prices, but the laws of supply and demand don’t just go away.
Re:The first results from the biggest basic income experiment
by ethanbond on Sunday December 03, 2023 @01:00PM
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Huge amounts of the demand just moves $x up the price curve, but that doesn’t suddenly conjure supply into existence, so you have the same demand willing to pay higher prices across the same supply: that’s just higher prices. In HCOL areas the vast majority of rent prices stem from land rent, and that supply is not just less elastic than demand, it’s totally fixed.
Most insidiously: the demand that will move most aggressively up the price curve is lower income people seeking better lower/middle income housing. So those prices will move the fastest.
Re:The first results from the biggest basic income experiment
by bee_rider on Sunday December 03, 2023 @01:31PM
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You are making a lot of predictions from basic principles and very simple models, I’d be amazed if the market was really that simple.
Re:The first results from the biggest basic income experiment
by ethanbond on Sunday December 03, 2023 @01:35PM
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It really is that simple. Here's an analogous example of minimum wage increases: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00941...
Evictions went down for 3 months, then rose again back to their prior level after as rents increased.
Re:The first results from the biggest basic income experiment
by pixel8account on Sunday December 03, 2023 @12:35PM
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Can you link to some study that confirms it? This sounds far too simplistic to be true, especially for something as complex and unpredictable as the economy.
Re:The first results from the biggest basic income experiment
by ethanbond on Sunday December 03, 2023 @12:46PM
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It’s a special case of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_George_theorem?wprov=sft...
This says public investment will just increase aggregate land rents to at least the cost of that investment. UBI is effectively a gigantic “public investment” that is everywhere. It’ll get baked into land rents, which will then propagate into actual rents.
If every single landlord knows with certainty (2) that every single tenant in their market has increased their ability to pay (1) by $1000/mo, then every landlord independently will come to the conclusion that they can raise rents by $1000/mo.
They know the tenants are able to sustain it, and they know other landlords know the same thing.