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Re:ChatGPT's 1-Year Anniversary: Are Open-Source Large Langu... by BoorishBears on Thursday November 30, 2023 @11:21PM (#38483095)
Nothing kills someone's credibility on LLMs faster than linking to the consumer product that is ChatGPT's web interface in a discussion about models.

You can't even guarantee that you're getting the checkpoint that is known as GPT-4-Turbo via the API, and in fact you can almost guarantee you're not because now they do side-by-side tests between different versions of their models in the web UI.

Re:ChatGPT's 1-Year Anniversary: Are Open-Source Large Langu... by avereveard on Thursday November 30, 2023 @11:58PM (#38483313)
The point is exactly that the model people are experiencing is converging down with every subsequent update, and I even mentioned that it's nowhere near the orig gpt4, idk possibly read it again slower instead of jumping to credibility and whatnot.
Re:ChatGPT's 1-Year Anniversary: Are Open-Source Large Langu... by BoorishBears on Friday December 01, 2023 @01:49AM (#38483927)
The irony of your comment since it implies you didn't catch half the words in mine: I'm saying you can't compare it to the "original" via the web ui

The "new" model was being used months before they announced GPT-4 Turbo, you could similarly tell by the speed differential in some of the newer tool using modes.

Even the "original" is likely still being used in some responses in the web ui, you can tell because some of the side-by-sides have a drastic speed differential that matches GPT-4 vs GPT-4-Turbo.

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You're trying to compare models using a tool that doesn't actually tell you what models you're comparing past which family they belong to, and represents more models than you're trying to discuss.

In other words you're talking about a topic you clearly don't understand and the equally clueless mob is glad to roll with it.

Re:ChatGPT's 1-Year Anniversary: Are Open-Source Large Langu... by avereveard on Friday December 01, 2023 @02:25AM (#38484115)
> you can't compare it to the "original" via the web ui

Good thing then that I was comparing the chat offering to 7b and 13b open models then, maybe you didn't catch that, try a third reading.

Also, this kind of is a chatgpt thread. I know it's not a perfect comparison, but still. It's a discussion point I'm presenting, not a research paper.

Re:ChatGPT's 1-Year Anniversary: Are Open-Source Large Langu... by BoorishBears on Friday December 01, 2023 @03:50AM (#38484632)
Good thing that's orthogonal to what I said?

GPT-4 has an API, when comparing models you use the API otherwise you can't even name the checkpoint of the model that you're testing.

The web ui uses different models, unknown parameters, and even uses RAG... so it's not even an unfair comparision, it's not a comparison.

At the end of the day you're free to convince yourself whatever you want on whatever flawed process you want, but when you're corrected going full angsty sarcasm isn't going to change reality.

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AI is in such a strange place now that the masses are interested in it: you can say whatever deluded thing you want as long as it aligns with what people want to hear.

I guess while people masturbate to this self-affirming nonsense the rest of us can build useful things on superior tech?

Re:ChatGPT's 1-Year Anniversary: Are Open-Source Large Langu... by kaycebasques on Friday December 01, 2023 @10:56AM (#38488175)
BoorishBear, please stop with the aggressive, condescending tone. You seem to have some productive counterarguments but they're getting lost in your disrespectful language.
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Re:ChatGPT's 1-Year Anniversary: Are Open-Source Large Langu... by kaycebasques on Friday December 01, 2023 @03:30PM (#38491909)
I don't have a feature to flag your comments and your profile does not point to a way for me to message you privately so this was my only option to call you out

What you call "tone policing" I call "violating numerous HN guidelines":

> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.

> When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names.

> Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community.

> Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work.

Re:ChatGPT's 1-Year Anniversary: Are Open-Source Large Langu... by BoorishBears on Friday December 01, 2023 @05:22PM (#38493338)
It's not your job to call out anyone on HN, and it adds precious little to the conversation.
Re:ChatGPT's 1-Year Anniversary: Are Open-Source Large Langu... by kaycebasques on Saturday December 02, 2023 @12:28PM (#38500170)
> It's not your job to call out anyone on HN

You may not personally agree with it, but there's nothing in the HN guidelines or comments from mods saying that I can't do it

> it adds precious little to the conversation

The conversations would have ended a long time ago if you're vitriolic tone was considered acceptable and normal

See dang's response to your comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38493663

Re:ChatGPT's 1-Year Anniversary: Are Open-Source Large Langu... by dang on Friday December 01, 2023 @06:02PM (#38493781)
You can flag comments as described here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#cflag
Re:ChatGPT's 1-Year Anniversary: Are Open-Source Large Langu... by dang on Friday December 01, 2023 @05:51PM (#38493663)
Yikes, you broke the site guidelines really badly in this thread, not just in this comment but in several other places including these:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38490123

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38484632

We have to ban accounts that post this way. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. Moreover, we've had warn you about this more than once over the years.

I don't want to ban you, so if you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules from now on, we'd appreciate it. That means no swipes and no personal attacks, among other things.

Edit: you've unfortunately been doing this in other recent threads too:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38453843

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38453381

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38377068

We really are going to have to ban you if this keeps up, so if you'd please make whatever change is needed to not post like this again, that would be good.

Re:ChatGPT's 1-Year Anniversary: Are Open-Source Large Langu... by cooperaustinj on Friday December 01, 2023 @11:43AM (#38488798)
Your credibility is killed by thinking using an API can guarantee which model you're getting. It's entirely black box. If OpenAI wants to lie to you, they can.
Re:ChatGPT's 1-Year Anniversary: Are Open-Source Large Langu... by BoorishBears on Friday December 01, 2023 @01:13PM (#38490123)
Your credibility is killed by thinking paying AWS for a c5.metal can guarantee which compute you're getting. It's entirely black box.

If AWS wants to torpedo their business for marginal gain they can. And you won't be able to tell just because your workload falls on its face.

Your comment is the textbook definition of FUD in a comical way.