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Re:I worked in Amazon HR and was disgusted at what I was see... by wyldfire on Thursday November 30, 2023 @08:35AM (#38473303)
> That next day, I called my manager and I told them I was resigning. They blew a gasket — absolutely blew a gasket

I don't understand how someone could be responsible for a policy that puts people's livelihood at risk under the headline of "just business things" and not expect the same treatment from their employees. "sorry boss - just looking out for my shareholder: me"

Re:I worked in Amazon HR and was disgusted at what I was see... by gangstead on Thursday November 30, 2023 @11:13AM (#38475270)
The manager was probably mad because they wasted a PIP on someone else. From other accounts here I've seen that if your manager gets any inkling that you are leaving they will throw a PIP on you to meet their quota.
Re:I worked in Amazon HR and was disgusted at what I was see... by impute on Thursday November 30, 2023 @01:05PM (#38476738)
So you mean when they resign instead that PIP no longer counts towards the manager's quota and they have to find someone else?
Re:I worked in Amazon HR and was disgusted at what I was see... by creativenolo on Thursday November 30, 2023 @03:05PM (#38478370)
You put the people leaving or who have left down as the low performers over the quarter. You have your quota of low performers. No pip show required.
Re:I worked in Amazon HR and was disgusted at what I was see... by gangstead on Thursday November 30, 2023 @04:50PM (#38479697)
Yes. In the story it sounds like they talked their manager out of putting them on Pivot (aka PIP):

> I wasn't put on Pivot. My manager wanted to work with me a little bit to see if I was going to commit to the job. So they sat me down and said I could go on Pivot and leave right away, or they would work with me

So the manager probably put someone else on Pivot to meet their quota and when the author left now they are down two people. If they knew the author was leaving they would have ranked them dead last, put on PIP, and then part of their quota is met.

Also this quote shows the farce that Pivot is. It sounds like the manager did a PIP-before-the-PIP because they actually wanted them to stay and Pivot is just CYA performance for someone on the way out.

I've never worked at Amazon but people talk about Pivot coming with severance, but the author chose to leave for free. Maybe there's some disadvantage to accepting the severance? Not eligible for future rehire if you accept? Maybe it's just too hard to time getting a new job right at the conclusion of the PIP?

Re:I worked in Amazon HR and was disgusted at what I was see... by scarface_74 on Thursday November 30, 2023 @08:14PM (#38481680)
I refused to resign when I got put on pivot. But I did prepare. Why walk away from in my case an additional vesting event and 3+ months salary as severance and getting reimbursed for my unused paid time off?
Re:I worked in Amazon HR and was disgusted at what I was see... by datadrivenangel on Thursday November 30, 2023 @10:24AM (#38474608)
I once had a manager at a temp-to-hire job spend the first 10 minutes of my resignation call swearing angrily about the situation. He clarified that it wasn't anger at me specifically, but it was an impressive fit. Some people don't react well to failure.
Re:I worked in Amazon HR and was disgusted at what I was see... by yoyohello13 on Thursday November 30, 2023 @10:56AM (#38475037)
I feel like having so little control over your emotions should be an instant rejection from any management position. Swearing angrily in any professional setting is just ridiculous.
Re:I worked in Amazon HR and was disgusted at what I was see... by allenp on Thursday November 30, 2023 @10:22AM (#38474553)
I'm genuinely curious about this - my best guess is there may be some measurement on the manager's employee retention numbers or similar that would make the manager look bad to have an employee quit.
Re:I worked in Amazon HR and was disgusted at what I was see... by scarface_74 on Thursday November 30, 2023 @08:12PM (#38481662)
Context: yes I got Amazoned a few months ago, see my top level comments.

My livelihood is based on my ability to get a job, keeping my skills current and keeping my network strong. I would never base my livelihood on the whims of one company.

A job is merely transactional. I exchange labor for money. When the company decides my labor is not worth the money they are paying me or I decide that the pay/bullshit ratio is going in the wrong direction, I change jobs and find another company that will give me money for my labor.

I’ve done so 9 times in my career and 6 since 2008.