The Dead Children We Must See

Re:The Dead Children We Must See by anon291 on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @08:24PM (#38454223)

Realistically, Israel should have never withdrawn from Gaza, and we need to start making actual hard decisions to avoid the unthinkable ones. Unfortunately, too often we end up making the easy decision and hope unicorns and rainbows will prevail. Gaza would have been safer and better run under Israeli military occupation, just like Afghanistan was better off under American military occupation. Countries who sit on the sidelines and complain should put their money where their mouths are, and when one country is bearing the full cost of something like that, pony up to spread the costs out.

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Re:The Dead Children We Must See by arp242 on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @09:24PM (#38454671)

"Israel should forever exercise military control over millions of non-citizens who have no democratic control over anything, for their own good of course."

This is literally what you're saying...

And with rhetoric like this you wonder why people call Israel an apartheid state... You literally are proposing that here.

And what happened to "give me liberty or give me death", "you will not tread on me", "no taxation without representation", and all of that stuff so popular in the US? Guess that doesn't apply to the Arab...

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Re:The Dead Children We Must See by anon291 on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @11:51PM (#38455708)

Most of the world is run without democratic control. I mean, I hate the CCP, but given that there is no other government that is going to be able to keep any part of China running, is it so wrong to say that overthrowing the CCP by assassinating key leaders is a rash decision? Perfect should not be the enemy of good enough.

> And what happened to "give me liberty or give me death", "you will not tread on me", "no taxation without representation", and all of that stuff so popular in the US? Guess that doesn't apply to the Arab...

Americans culturally would not tolerate any of that. I think it would be good for Gazans to fight Israel for its independence on proper terms. Perhaps that would lead to a proper state instead of this barbarity. At what point did the continental army decide to kidnap children and rape women instead of engaging the British directly?

But like I said before, perfect should not be the enemy of good. I have traveled extensively. Americans have a very unique culture. Most people around the world value order, while Americans mainly value the ability to run their own affairs at the local level. The Gazans have shown no interest in American-style democracy. Fine.

This is not hypocrisy. The flags say 'Don't tread on me', not 'don't tread on them'.

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Re:The Dead Children We Must See by phpisthebest on Wednesday November 29, 2023 @06:00AM (#38457930)

I have never understood why people think democracy is the ultimate goal, it is not

individual liberty is the ultimate goal. One way we have been able to get that is via a limited democratic process (key word limited)

Democracy unrestrained is just Mob Rules and almost always ends in Dictatorship, or Authoritarian Theocracy

>>and all of that stuff so popular in the US?

Tell me you do not know anything about American history, or US politics with out telling me...

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Re:The Dead Children We Must See by dang on Thursday November 30, 2023 @01:43AM (#38470449)

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