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Re:"We pulled off an SEO heist with AI and stole 3.6M impres... by frabjoused on Monday November 27, 2023 @11:41AM (#38434464)
I personally pin SEO gaming as the #1 cause of decline in the quality of the Internet. I only use Google at this point as a rapid link to websites so I don't have to type the URL. SEO posts just trash any meaningful search and Google seems content. LLMs are great for cutting through this, as long as you take time to verify your data.
Re:"We pulled off an SEO heist with AI and stole 3.6M impres... by tensor on Monday November 27, 2023 @11:51AM (#38434633)
To be fair, this is probably more Google not caring rather than any improvement in SEO gaming. Kagi doesn't suffer from the SEO spam like Google does, and if a small company can do it surely Google could if they wanted to.
Re:"We pulled off an SEO heist with AI and stole 3.6M impres... by 10000truths on Monday November 27, 2023 @11:57AM (#38434725)
Kagi can do it because of the fact that they're a small company, not despite it.
Re:"We pulled off an SEO heist with AI and stole 3.6M impres... by tensor on Monday November 27, 2023 @12:02PM (#38434809)
I doubt it has anything to do with company size. Most likely it's due to what drives their products. In the case of Google, overall it's how many ads they sell, and if improving search quality doesn't lead to more ads, then there is little incentive to do it.

For Kagi, they get revenue from customers paying for quality, so there is direct incentive to produce high quality search results.

Re:"We pulled off an SEO heist with AI and stole 3.6M impres... by leereeves on Monday November 27, 2023 @12:41PM (#38435397)
Kagi isn't a target for SEO tactics. If they became as popular as Google, SEO manipulators would find ways to improve their position on Kagi.
Re:"We pulled off an SEO heist with AI and stole 3.6M impres... by firtoz on Monday November 27, 2023 @11:43AM (#38434511)
A few times I have googled a company name directly and the first few results were SEO snipes.
Re:"We pulled off an SEO heist with AI and stole 3.6M impres... by soperj on Monday November 27, 2023 @11:51AM (#38434628)
#1 cause in the decline of Google maybe. https://search.marginalia.nu/ seems to manage though, so maybe Google just doesn't care.
Re:"We pulled off an SEO heist with AI and stole 3.6M impres... by marginalia_nu on Monday November 27, 2023 @06:37PM (#38440137)
It's mostly due to incentives. The most effective way to go after search engine spam is to aim for what the search engine spammers are after, which is mostly ad impressions. If you get rid of the ads, you get rid of the search engine spam. Of course, that would be directly hitting Google's bottom line, and is never going to happen[1]

The other factor is of course that they are very big, and get directly targeted in a way I'm not.

[1] http://infolab.stanford.edu/~backrub/google.html#a

Re:"We pulled off an SEO heist with AI and stole 3.6M impres... by contravariant on Monday November 27, 2023 @11:44AM (#38434519)
Though you'd think something like page-rank would not be attracted to some random pages that are only linked to from the same domain.
Re:"We pulled off an SEO heist with AI and stole 3.6M impres... by nostromo on Monday November 27, 2023 @02:32PM (#38437035)
Stop blaming SEO and start blaming Google.

Ultimately they're responsible for creating the incentives that are killing the web.