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Re: by bjord on Monday November 27, 2023 @06:34AM (#38431101)
happy to see this, but let's be honest here—it's practically nothing in the grand scheme of things

a ukrainian armor battalion is 31 tanks, so it's not even a full battalion

https://cepa.org/article/think-ukraines-offensive-has-starte...

to put that in perspective, russia has lost at least 2500+ tanks thus far

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-docum...

Re: by rob74 on Monday November 27, 2023 @06:46AM (#38431173)
Well, that's politics for you... lots of back-and-forth discussions and bargaining, and if you look at the end result, you wonder why it took so long to reach it. But this has already been ridiculed in antiquity ("Parturient montes, nascetur ridiculus mus" - https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Horace).
Re: by yorwba on Monday November 27, 2023 @06:45AM (#38431163)
On the other hand, it's more than the 22 Leopard 2A tanks Ukraine had lost https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-docum... before Oryx stopped updating in October.
Re: by fabian2k on Monday November 27, 2023 @06:40AM (#38431130)
Panzer 87 is the Swiss designation for the Leopard 2A4 tanks. So those are an older version of the modern Leopard 2, similar to those already sent to Ukraine (2A4 to 2A6).
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Re: by timeon on Monday November 27, 2023 @06:24AM (#38431029)
> proxy war

Are you aware that Russia invaded Ukraine?

Re: by vasvae3 on Monday November 27, 2023 @06:43AM (#38431155)
Yes, after Ukraine bombarded civilians for years.
Re: by efdee on Monday November 27, 2023 @06:26AM (#38431040)
> proxy war between USA and Russia in Ukraine

That's a pretty hot take considering what happened.