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Re:Texas officials warn of rolling blackouts to ease strain ... by vel0city on Friday November 24, 2023 @02:46PM (#38407463)
Even if ERCOT was tied to all the states around it, it probably wouldn't have changed the outcome. The shortage alone was more power than the entire output of most of the the states surrounding Texas, which every state around was also near their limits.

So yeah, it Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, and most of New Mexico sent all their power to Texas nobody in Texas would have lost power. Just everyone in all those other states.

Re:Texas officials warn of rolling blackouts to ease strain ... by ic_fly2 on Friday November 24, 2023 @03:02PM (#38407612)
No, because their neighbours would send them power. And so on. A larger grid is much stabler. It would also extend outside of the area badly affected by the snowstorm.

Simple proof, no where else in the US or any other developed country does such a situation arise. And even most developing countries have better connected grids. When southern Australia didn’t, it paid for that in rolling blackouts.

Re:Texas officials warn of rolling blackouts to ease strain ... by vel0city on Friday November 24, 2023 @03:22PM (#38407823)
Loads of places in the US experience power outages from massive winter storms. See New York this year.

And once again you're just ignoring that pretty much every state even near those other states were also near their breaking points with many of those areas having rolling power outages at the time. It's not like the storm was only hitting Texas.

Re:Texas officials warn of rolling blackouts to ease strain ... by neilknowsbest on Friday November 24, 2023 @10:53PM (#38411037)
You're right in principle, but larger interconnections aren't a panacea.

The reality of Uri is that the neighboring regions to the north (SPP) and east (MISO) were on the brink themselves (grid emergency and rolling blackouts in SPP), and the import capacity from their neighboring regions (i.e. the midwest) was constrained; they couldn't import more power from their neighbors. If Texas were part of the Eastern Interconnection AC grid (i.e. connected to SPP and MISO), I think fewer people in Texas would have lost power and more people in Oklahoma. SPP and MISO just didn't have any more power in those areas to ship them.

SPP & MISO have been interconnected with each other forever, they're on the same AC grid. But the capacity between their systems is limited, hence the blackouts in SPP. They just never bothered to build out the capacity because it hasn't made a lot of economic sense. I think that's the best counterfactual example of "what would have happened if Texas didn't have their own grid", and it suggests that the storm still would have been a problem.

Re:Texas officials warn of rolling blackouts to ease strain ... by fragmede on Friday November 24, 2023 @02:58PM (#38407573)
Wouldn't Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, and New Mexico pull power from Missouri, Georgia, and Arizona in that case?
Re:Texas officials warn of rolling blackouts to ease strain ... by vel0city on Friday November 24, 2023 @03:00PM (#38407597)
There's more and more losses the further you're pulling it out. And all those states were also near their full capacity as well.
Re:Texas officials warn of rolling blackouts to ease strain ... by fragmede on Saturday November 25, 2023 @12:04PM (#38414717)
You get far out enough, and there wasn't the effects of a freak winter storm that brought below freezing weather and snow to a state that doesn't usually have them though.
Re:Texas officials warn of rolling blackouts to ease strain ... by vel0city on Saturday November 25, 2023 @03:41PM (#38416506)
Winter storm Uri had impacts from Mexico to Canada. It was a major storm for close to half the country. You probably didn't experience it much in Florida, but if you were in New Mexico, Texas, Kansas, Arkansas, Missouri, Illinois, Michigan, Louisiana, Mississippi, Indiana, Ohio, Tennessee, Alabama, Pennsylvania, New York, Vermont, West Virginia, Virginia, Maryland, New Jersey, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Maine, or Connecticut it was a bad winter storm. Even parts of Minnesota were impacted with generation issues due to the massive natural gas supply drop. The storm spanned from Canada to Mexico, from New Mexico to Maine.

SPP had generation issues like Texas because of the massive drop in natural gas supply coupled with high demand and had rolling blackouts as well. MISO was the most impacted part of the country weather-wise and had practically no spare capacity, and PJM was also still under very heavy load.

You get far enough out and you start realize the rest of the country isn't a single grid. The east and west aren't very connected, and from the central US to the east there's really a few different grids with interconnections, which were all getting maxed out without trying to take on the shortfall in Texas.