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Re:Army ants use collective intelligence to build bridges by wodenokoto on Thursday November 23, 2023 @12:44AM (#38389740)
So a brain is "just" a bunch of neurons communicating, and while no single neuron is intelligent, the whole is intelligent. And ants exhibit somewhat intelligent behaviour as a whole, while none of them are themselves something we consider intelligent.

I think this is super interesting and we can go completely off the rails taking this to its logical extremes. Like, the entire planet earth is an intelligence that arises from all interactions between all living things on the planet. In this sense, the speed of thought must be considered extremely slow, with even the most minute decision taking decades if not centuries.

There is a theory of consciences (using theory very lightly) that says that conscience is an inherent property of the universe (like gravity) and that any and all systems has conscience. Most of these are not recognizable by conscience humans (although we all seem to agree that we have a sub-conscience, so we are open to the concept of different types of consciences).

"Waking up: a guide to spirituality without religion" has a good chapter on this, where he starts with how people who've had their corpus callosum cut, and through experiments we can see that the two halves work independent, but the person is unaware of this. Their experience is still one conscience, even though their do things or know things that is not apparent to the conscience that outsiders generally would communicate to. He then goes on to argue how there can be multiple consciences that are unaware that they are "trapped" and not in complete control.

The author is not the only one to bring out this argument, but I thought it was well put in that book.

I really like this theory, while at the same time considering pretty far out.

Re:Army ants use collective intelligence to build bridges by tommiegannert on Thursday November 23, 2023 @02:42AM (#38390426)
And going the other direction: I don't expect my individual brain cells to feel conscious, but if they do, they're probably not aware that they also together form consciousness.

The fact that the universe exists is pretty weird; that it is (at least partially) self-aware is either far more strange, or completely... natural. Perhaps even inevitable for sufficiently complex closed systems with stabilizing forces.

Thanks for the book recommendation.

Re:Army ants use collective intelligence to build bridges by ttt11199907 on Thursday November 23, 2023 @12:49AM (#38389763)
Conscious/consciousness.

I like the thought experiment though!

Re:Army ants use collective intelligence to build bridges by wodenokoto on Thursday November 23, 2023 @03:34AM (#38390700)
I was just proud I spelled conscience correctly.
Re:Army ants use collective intelligence to build bridges by Obscurity4340 on Thursday November 23, 2023 @02:29AM (#38390351)
Thanks for doing the dirty ;) Conscience conscious aha
Re:Army ants use collective intelligence to build bridges by KwanEsq on Thursday November 23, 2023 @05:03AM (#38391194)
I think you'd enjoy Alastair Reynolds' sci-fi stories, particularly the short story "Glacial" in the "Galactic North" collection.