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Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by chatmasta on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @01:27PM (#38383033)
Sure. But people in this thread aren't complaining that Google's profitable. They're complaining about the culture. Long term, such a poisonous culture is not a sustainable path to growth or retained profitability. And it's even less sustainable when the company is dependent on an undiversified revenue stream, since they need to be innovating to mitigate that risk, and a poisonous culture is toxic to innovation.

But yes, Google is a money printer, and it's printing at a higher speed than it was ten years ago. But in that same ten years, Microsoft has grown at a faster rate and even displaced Google in some areas, like developer tooling and AI. In fact, Google has lost its ability to innovate to such an extent that a startup was able to beat them to market by productizing research that originated from Google! And now Microsoft basically owns that startup. That's an embarrassing failure of leadership.

Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by ghaff on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @01:32PM (#38383120)
Microsoft has certainly had a pretty amazing transformation. After they lost mobile and the client OS market was clearly stagnant to declining, it seemed they were toast if you looked at where their revenue came from. (And their early hybrid cloud strategy was sort of a mess too.)

Whereas, as you suggest, Google's cloud strategy has been marginal except for Google Docs and they're still mostly an ad company.

Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by emodendroket on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @01:37PM (#38383203)
> Long term, such a poisonous culture is not a sustainable path to growth or retained profitability.

Are you sure? This feels a little bit like when I read the American capitalism is going to collapse because there are a lot of homeless people. Just because something has the effect of making some people miserable doesn't mean that it's unstable or doomed to fail. IBM, GE, Boeing, or any number of other "dinosaur" companies haven't gone anywhere. And Microsoft itself shows that even a conservative culture can manage to adapt to changing circumstances when it's necessary.

Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by chatmasta on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @02:01PM (#38383575)
But Google doesn't intentionally have a conservative culture. They're trying to innovate, since they need to mitigate the existential risk of their undiversified revenue stream. But they're failing to innovate.

So perhaps such a conservative culture does have its merits, but claiming that Google sought those merits is post-facto rationalization of their failure to innovate. Google never intended to turn into IBM (which, btw, they havent - at least IBM has more diversified sources of revenue!).

That said, you make a good point that Microsoft itself is a counterexample. So maybe there is still hope for Google. But IMO, that hope is not aligned with the path they're currently traveling. They need to fire Sundar and make some drastic cultural changes if they want to outcompete Microsoft between now and 2035.

Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by emodendroket on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @03:35PM (#38384736)
Sure, they're not achieving everything they want, but I think most people would be pretty happy if they just achieved a huge money-printing machine through an app store and ad exchange.
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by chatmasta on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @04:48PM (#38385627)
Yeah, hence why Larry and Sergei don't care that the company they founded is currently on a downward trajectory...