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Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by paxys on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @12:30PM (#38382191)
The thing is it's not Sundar's job to be a visionary leader. That's not why the shareholders put him where he is. He is a bean counter and is doing a fantastic job bean counting and increasing Google's share price.
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by hot_gril on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @12:38PM (#38382299)
Google has passed up too many great opportunities that don't even take a visionary to see. Biggest examples, we let Zoom, OpenAI, and even Microsoft (Teams) steal our thunder. Microsoft, that company we make fun of as a dinosaur, moves faster than we do!

I remember the discussions around the office right when ChatGPT came out. "Bard performs better," "we're more ethical," etc. Nope, they ate our lunch.

Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by bcrosby95 on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @01:19PM (#38382940)
Yes, Microsoft really re-invented itself. Maybe Google can turn itself around too after a decade or two of malaise.
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by antipaul on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @01:48PM (#38383388)
But Microsoft reinvented itself with precisely leadership change in Satya, right?
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by kelnos on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @02:01PM (#38383582)
Sure, but consider that MS came from Ballmer, whom many of us blame for Microsoft's badness of the 00s (granted, Ballmer of course came from Gates, who probably set back general-purpose computing by decades due to his greed). I do believe Nadella has made MS a much better, likeable company, but I don't think I'll ever trust them to do right by humanity.

Google has gone the other way: Page and Brin seemed to be well-liked outside of Google, as they were the visionaries who started it all. They made the choice to go with Pichai, who cares more about ad revenue than doing anything great. And Page and Brin, sadly, seem to be happy with their choice so far.

Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by hot_gril on Thursday November 23, 2023 @02:08AM (#38390219)
I don't see how Microsoft reinvented themselves. For better and worse, they behave the same way I grew to expect in the 00s with Ballmer. New CEO knocked off the Google founders' "nice guy" look, that's about it.

Meanwhile, Google is reinventing themselves... to be more like Microsoft.

Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by duped on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @01:25PM (#38383013)
ime Googlers/Xooglers have this egotism that needs a sharp kick in the butt to remedy.
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by hot_gril on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @01:36PM (#38383181)
Well they're getting that kick now.
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by JSavageOne on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @11:48PM (#38389415)
Bard is trash. In my experience it's ChatGPT > Bing Chat > Bard.

Shame because Google invented the transformer architecture that enabled the technology.

Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by trustyhank on Friday November 24, 2023 @11:42AM (#38405743)
Could add AWS and Azure to that list
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by hot_gril on Sunday November 26, 2023 @04:28AM (#38420327)
I thought about that, but my list was focused on things that Google was leading in but let the market get away. Amazon got into cloud before Google did.
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by Elof on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @01:30PM (#38383091)
IDK, if you look at what Microsoft has accomplished under the leadership of Satya over the last 9 years it's obviously possible to innovate and bean count at the same time
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by izacus on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @01:43PM (#38383300)
Yes, but that happened after they had Ballmer which was their own bean counting CEO.

And they noticed that that's a problem - something VERY FEW corporations figure out.

Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by aquova on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @12:43PM (#38382388)
And, as the article postulates, that sort of bean counting goes directly against what used to excite Google's employees, and is leading to their continued disillusionment.
Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by hshsbs84848 on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @12:49PM (#38382469)
Yeah that’s what I don’t understand, what is the incentive to preserve the culture?

Outcomes follow incentives

Re:Reflecting on 18 Years at Google by jrmg on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @01:00PM (#38382637)
‘Shareholders’ can’t do anything. Different classes of shares confer different voting rights, and Larry Page and Sergey Brin still own shares controlling over 50% of shareholder votes.