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Re:Sam Altman, OpenAI board open talks to negotiate his poss... by YetAnotherNick on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @05:13PM (#38371128)
Let's call them Adam, Helen and Tasha, not the board. 3 people who have some questionable connections with competitors and have nothing to loose if OpenAI dies.

By now they don't have full legitimacy.

Re:Sam Altman, OpenAI board open talks to negotiate his poss... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @05:20PM (#38371235)
> nothing to loose if OpenAI dies

To be fair, this was deliberately done. You don't want the person selling you the bombs to be the one deciding how many you use.

Re:Sam Altman, OpenAI board open talks to negotiate his poss... by YetAnotherNick on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @05:26PM (#38371318)
I think that was done as a safety lever, not a hard force. Outside member could raise the alarm if they feel something is wrong, not make the decision and not inform anyone.
Re:Sam Altman, OpenAI board open talks to negotiate his poss... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @05:53PM (#38371683)
> Outside member could raise the alarm if they feel something is wrong, not make the decision and not inform anyone

You’re describing an advisory board or oversight council. Like the one Facebook likes to ignore [1].

This was a board, and a non-profit board at that. They were designed to be the deciders. And they have no duty to inform anyone in their charter.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/06/technology/facebook-overs...

Re:Sam Altman, OpenAI board open talks to negotiate his poss... by denton-scratch on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @05:19PM (#38371212)
Wny didn't you mention Ilya? Has he stood down?
Re:Sam Altman, OpenAI board open talks to negotiate his poss... by YetAnotherNick on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @05:24PM (#38371284)
He publically apologized for participating in the board decision. Sadly his vote doesn't matter now that Sam and Greg has oficially been removed.
Re:Sam Altman, OpenAI board open talks to negotiate his poss... by gardenhedge on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @05:36PM (#38371443)
His original vote matter a lot. His name should be mentioned along with the others
Re:Sam Altman, OpenAI board open talks to negotiate his poss... by reducesuffering on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @05:24PM (#38371288)
> have nothing to loose if OpenAI dies

Not according to Sam Altman: "Development of superhuman machine intelligence is probably the greatest threat to the continued existence of humanity."

https://blog.samaltman.com/machine-intelligence-part-1

Re:Sam Altman, OpenAI board open talks to negotiate his poss... by jay_kyburz on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @05:42PM (#38371532)
Off topic, but I watched The Creator last night and it was super dumb and really did not even attempt imagine what a war against AI might look like. There was really no explanation for why the AI were walking around dressed as people or why they would want to limit themselves to such a degree.

I think Terminator did it much better.

Re:Sam Altman, OpenAI board open talks to negotiate his poss... by YetAnotherNick on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @05:27PM (#38371328)
I said nothing to loose, not nothing to gain.
Re:Sam Altman, OpenAI board open talks to negotiate his poss... by reducesuffering on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @05:41PM (#38371504)
The word is "lose." You're still not making sense, as the point is they have their lives to lose, possibly.
Re:Sam Altman, OpenAI board open talks to negotiate his poss... by YetAnotherNick on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @07:50PM (#38373015)
Jesus, get your brain checked. Just to reiterate I said nothing to lose if OpenAI is killed. In your argument they are losing if it is not killed, a polar opposite.
Re:Sam Altman, OpenAI board open talks to negotiate his poss... by reducesuffering on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @09:40PM (#38373998)
That is hilarious coming from you who can't possibly wrap your head around the meaning. There is a scenario where if OpenAI is killed, it leads to the existential risk that Sam Altman and the board believe can happen.

So "if OpenAI is killed," the board does not have "nothing to lose."

It is deeply ironic how much this forum complains about EA / lesswrong and yet I see hundreds of practically illiterate uninformed takes here a week. Practically all the tech CEO / VP types joke about it. This place likes to think of itself as high brow but it's closer to Reddit than academic circles.