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Re:SEC charges Kraken for operating as an unregistered secur... by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Monday November 20, 2023 @06:46PM (#38356693)
> The SEC alleges that Kraken intertwines the traditional services of an exchange, broker, dealer, and clearing agency without having registered any of those functions with the Commission as required by law.
Re:SEC charges Kraken for operating as an unregistered secur... by kklisura on Monday November 20, 2023 @06:49PM (#38356720)
I find following more troubling:

> As alleged in the complaint, Kraken commingles its customers’ money with its own, including paying operational expenses directly from accounts that hold customer cash.

Didn't FTX/SBF do same?

Re:SEC charges Kraken for operating as an unregistered secur... by ForkMeOnTinder on Monday November 20, 2023 @07:04PM (#38356864)
What's interesting this time around is Kraken has fully bought into audits and cryptographic proof of reserves (complete with sample Python code to verify your account balance is included in the proof tree).

https://www.kraken.com/proof-of-reserves

https://proof-of-reserves.trustexplorer.io/clients/kraken

If there's any crypto company out there that "gets it" and is doing things right, it's them. The SEC is going after the big one this time. I can't wait to see how it shakes out.

Re:SEC charges Kraken for operating as an unregistered secur... by az226 on Monday November 20, 2023 @09:06PM (#38357980)
The link you sent shows a 1.5 year old snapshot. So much for twice a year.
Re:SEC charges Kraken for operating as an unregistered secur... by WXLCKNO on Monday November 20, 2023 @07:44PM (#38357189)
Kraken addressed this point in their blog post replying to these allegations. They're not doing this at all.
Re:SEC charges Kraken for operating as an unregistered secur... by lamontcg on Monday November 20, 2023 @10:04PM (#38358504)
If they're doing it, they're clearly going to say that they're not.
Re:SEC charges Kraken for operating as an unregistered secur... by Ferret7446 on Monday November 20, 2023 @07:02PM (#38356838)
Is that inherently problematic, as long as they're accounting properly?
Re:SEC charges Kraken for operating as an unregistered secur... by wmf on Monday November 20, 2023 @08:06PM (#38357381)
Every regulation comes from some past scam. Clearly there must have been enough "oopsies" in the past attributed to commingled assets that regulators said "no more".
Re:SEC charges Kraken for operating as an unregistered secur... by Animats on Monday November 20, 2023 @07:08PM (#38356893)
Yes. Because they're gambling with the customers' money.

That seldom ends well.

Re:SEC charges Kraken for operating as an unregistered secur... by ForkMeOnTinder on Monday November 20, 2023 @07:15PM (#38356961)
Comingling doesn't imply gambling.

I could borrow $10 from Jim, and $20 from Sue, and deposit them both into the same Chase account which now has $30. As long as the balance stays above $30, everything is fine.

Re:SEC charges Kraken for operating as an unregistered secur... by koolba on Monday November 20, 2023 @08:09PM (#38357405)
You could let the balance fall below $30 in your example because it’s a loan (“borrow”), not a deposit.

If you’re claiming to hold the funds on their behalf and do otherwise (like “investing” them in your less than arm’s length hedge fund), then you’re breaking your fiduciary obligations.

Re:SEC charges Kraken for operating as an unregistered secur... by yieldcrv on Monday November 20, 2023 @08:00PM (#38357325)
Right, the problem is when leverage and borrowing comes in
Re:SEC charges Kraken for operating as an unregistered secur... by lmm on Monday November 20, 2023 @11:03PM (#38359020)
If customers are aware of it, maybe not. But if they're representing to customers that these are their funds, expressly or implicitly claiming that they're held separately, then that would be inherently problematic - it means those customers are a lot worse off if Kraken goes bankrupt, because if Kraken has been paying operational expenses out of those accounts then their suppliers etc. can go after those accounts. (And no, the regulators won't treat it as a "no harm no foul" just because Kraken didn't in fact go bankrupt - they were exposing their customers to risk even if that risk didn't come to pass)
Re:SEC charges Kraken for operating as an unregistered secur... by this_user on Monday November 20, 2023 @07:04PM (#38356861)
I would be more surprised by a crypto exchange that doesn't. Except for maybe Coinbase, none of these places take compliance seriously.
Re:SEC charges Kraken for operating as an unregistered secur... by janmo on Monday November 20, 2023 @09:00PM (#38357905)
Yes, and so did MtGox and QuadrigaCX. It doesn't mean that they are unbacked but it is a huge red flag.
Re:SEC charges Kraken for operating as an unregistered secur... by KrakenEng on Monday November 20, 2023 @09:06PM (#38357968)
Kraken's response was

> The SEC alleges that Kraken “commingled” its own funds with its clients’. This is a similar allegation already made of other crypto trading platforms. The SEC cannot and does not allege that any customer funds are missing, or any loss has occurred. Nor does it allege that any loss will occur. *The complaint itself concedes that this so-called “commingling” is no more than Kraken spending fees it has already earned.*

https://blog.kraken.com/news/kraken-continues-to-fight-for-i...