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Re:Why TSA's Implementation of Facial Recognition Is More Da... by brookst on Monday November 20, 2023 @04:19PM (#38354959)
tl;dr: slippery slope

> This statement by TSA Administrator Pekoske highlights one of the main risks of TSA using facial recognition in any capacity—there is no guarantee that how TSA initially uses facial recognition will not change or expand beyond the current stated purpose.

Which, if you think about it, would be an equally valid statement about the risks of NOT using facial recognition: that approach would also provide no guarantee that TSA would not use facial recognition in bad ways in the future.

In fact, it is very hard to guarantee that something won't happen.

I'm a biometric skeptic, but this is not a super compelling article. There are better arguments: biometrics can be fooled, biometric measurements are essentially an immutable password which can be leaked/abused, they can be unfair to people with physical differences, etc.

Just saying X can lead to Y so X is bad is just so... lazy.

Re:Why TSA's Implementation of Facial Recognition Is More Da... by jvanderbot on Monday November 20, 2023 @04:21PM (#38354990)
One way to guarantee that a mass database of biometric data isn't leaked or abused is to not gather it in the first place.

So, yes, it is easy to guarantee that a mass database of biometric data isn't abused if you can prevent it from being gathered. We're making no efforts in that direction, so we're running every day towards a future in which the holder of such a database can deepfake anyone doing anything.

Re:Why TSA's Implementation of Facial Recognition Is More Da... by brookst on Monday November 20, 2023 @04:25PM (#38355047)
Agreed, and that seems like a good argument.

Which is why it's so strange to say that one of the greatest risks of the TSA's program is that they could do a totally different program in the future. It's literally like saying that going to the gym is risky because you might get into BASE jumping.

There are better arguments. Hence, this piece is weak.

Re:Why TSA's Implementation of Facial Recognition Is More Da... by ang_cire on Monday November 20, 2023 @04:30PM (#38355105)
That is one of the greatest risks, because while you may agree to give them your biometrics for air travel, you may not agree to do it for another purpose, but it's too late at the point where they already have it.

It effectively means that if I don't want them to potentially give it to LEOs, I have to opt out of any services they are gatekeeping behind it.

That's not a slippery slope argument, it's an argument that there is no way for me to review how the information they collect is actually being used.

Re:Why TSA's Implementation of Facial Recognition Is More Da... by brookst on Monday November 20, 2023 @04:39PM (#38355228)
I don't think you read the EPIC post, or the part I quoted. You're creating a new, more reasonable argument that is loosely aligned with the second, lesser concern that EPIC had.
Re:Why TSA's Implementation of Facial Recognition Is More Da... by jjjjmoney on Monday November 20, 2023 @04:24PM (#38355032)
I wonder if when these things leak and become ever-more damaging, biometrics will basically become worthless and we will pivot to hardware tokens or something else.

There seems to be little resistance to this in the USA, and we’re also okay with abysmally bad forms of identification (SSN, birth certificates).

Re:Why TSA's Implementation of Facial Recognition Is More Da... by hooverd on Monday November 20, 2023 @04:47PM (#38355357)
The security state has been demonstrated to be greasing the slope again and again and again.
Re:Why TSA's Implementation of Facial Recognition Is More Da... by Eumenes on Monday November 20, 2023 @05:11PM (#38355633)
And judging by the comments in here, most people are OK with it because we shouldn't demonize an "effective" form of identification.
Re:Why TSA's Implementation of Facial Recognition Is More Da... by brookst on Monday November 20, 2023 @09:08PM (#38357993)
Are we reading the same thread? I'm not seeing any comments defending the practice, or calling it effective, or accusing people of "demonizing" a technology.
Re:Why TSA's Implementation of Facial Recognition Is More Da... by plagiarist on Monday November 20, 2023 @04:42PM (#38355282)
> Which, if you think about it, would be an equally valid statement about the risks of NOT using facial recognition: that approach would also provide no guarantee that TSA would not use facial recognition in bad ways in the future.

The key difference is one of those scenarios gives the TSA a larger database of candid photos linked to an ID compared to just the one photo on record.