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Re:OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns by breadwinner on Monday November 20, 2023 @10:01AM (#38349217)
Assuming OpenAI still exists next week, right? If nearly all employees — including Ilya apparently — quit to join Microsoft then they may not be using much of the Azure credits.
Re:OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns by ghaff on Monday November 20, 2023 @11:06AM (#38349849)
It's a lot easier to sign a petition than it is to quit your cushy job. It remains to be seen how many people jump ship to (supposedly) take a spot at Microsoft.
Re:OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns by oceanplexian on Monday November 20, 2023 @12:16PM (#38350819)
Depends on how much of that is paper money.

If you’re making like 250k cash and were promised $1M a year in now-worthless paper, plus you have OpenAI on the resume, are one of the most in-demand people in the world? It would be rediculously easy to quit.

Re:OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns by quickthrower2 on Monday November 20, 2023 @06:12PM (#38356308)
I was wondering in the mass quit scenario whether they would all go to Microsoft. Especially if they are tired of this shit and other companies offer a good deal. Or they start their own thing.
Re:OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns by dageshi on Monday November 20, 2023 @12:09PM (#38350702)
Given these people are basically the gold standard by which everyone else judges AI related talent. I'm gonna say it would be just as easy for them to land a new gig for the same or better money elsewhere.
Re:OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns by treesciencebot on Monday November 20, 2023 @12:00PM (#38350532)
When the biggest chunk of your compensation is in the form of PPUs (profit participation units) which might be worthless under the new direction of the company (or worth 1/10th of what you think they were), it might be actually much more of an easier jump than people think to get some fresh $MSFT stock options which can be cashed regardless.
Re:OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns by vikramkr on Monday November 20, 2023 @12:53PM (#38351506)
those jobs look a lot less cushy now compared to a new microsoft division where everyone is aligned on the idea that making bank is good and fun
Re:OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns by cloverich on Monday November 20, 2023 @01:08PM (#38351788)
I would imagine the MS jobs* would be cushier, just with less long-term total upside. For all the promise of employees having 5-50 million in potential one-day money, MS can likely offer 1 million guaranteed in the next 4 years, and perhaps more with some kind of incentives. IMHO guaranteed money has a very powerful effect on most, especially when it takes you into "Not rich, but don't technically need to work" anymore territory.

Personally I've got enough IOU's alive that I may be rich one day. But if someone gave me retirement in 4 years money, guaranteed, I wouldn't even blink before taking it.

*I think before MS stepped in here I would have agreed w/ you though -- unlikely anyone is jumping ship without an immediate strong guarantee.

Re:OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns by ghaff on Monday November 20, 2023 @01:30PM (#38352174)
>*I think before MS stepped in here I would have agreed w/ you though -- unlikely anyone is jumping ship without an immediate strong guarantee.

The details here certainly matter. I think a lot of people are assuming that Microsoft will just rain cash on anyone automatically sight unseen because they were hired by OpenAI. That may indeed be the case but it remains to be seen.

Re:OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns by quickthrower2 on Monday November 20, 2023 @06:17PM (#38356387)
> MS can likely offer 1 million guaranteed in the next 4 years

Sounds a bit low for these people, unless I am misunderstanding.

Re:OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns by jedberg on Monday November 20, 2023 @02:08PM (#38352836)
Microsoft said all OpenAI employees have an open offer to match their current comp. It would be the easiest jump ship option ever.
Re:OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns by phlakaton on Monday November 20, 2023 @06:59PM (#38356800)
I dunno. If you were an employee and managed to maintain any doubt along the way that you were working for the devil, this move would certainly erase that doubt. Then again, it shouldn't be surprising if it turns out that most OpenAI employees are in it for more than just altruistic reasons.
Re:OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns by cactusplant7374 on Monday November 20, 2023 @01:02PM (#38351687)
Why would Microsoft take Ilya? He is rumored to have started the coup. I can see Microsoft taking all uninvolved employees.
Re:OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns by nopromisessir on Monday November 20, 2023 @01:30PM (#38352182)
Because he is possibly the most desireable AI researcher on planet earth. Full stop.

Also all these cats arn't petty. They are friends. I'm sure Ilya feels terrible. Satya is a pro... Won't be hard feelings.

The guy threw in with the board... He's not from startup land. His last gig was Google. He's way over his head relative to someone like Altman who was in this world the moment out of college diapers.

Poor Ilya... It's awful to build something and then accidentally destroy it. Hopefully it works out for him. I'm fairly certain he and Altman and Brockman have already reconciled during the board negotiations... Obviously Ilya realized in the span of 48hrs that he'd made a huge mistake.

Re:OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns by nvm0n2 on Monday November 20, 2023 @01:40PM (#38352356)
> he is possibly the most desireable AI researcher on planet earth

was

There are lots of people doing excellent research on the market right now, especially with the epic brain drain being experienced by Google. And remember that OpenAI neither invented transformers nor switch transformers (which is what GPT4 is rumoured to be).

Re:OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns by nopromisessir on Monday November 20, 2023 @03:12PM (#38353914)
So untrue.

That team had set state of the art for years now.

Every major firm that has a spot for that company's chief researcher and can afford him would bid.

This is the team that actually shipped and continues to ship. You take him every time if you possibly have room and he would be happy.

Anyone whose hired would agree in 99 percent of cases, some limited scenarios such as bad predicted team fit ect set aside.

Re:OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns by nopromisessir on Monday November 20, 2023 @03:45PM (#38354440)
I'll leave this here... As a secondary response to your assertion re Ilya.

https://twitter.com/Benioff/status/1726695914105090498

Re:OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns by nvm0n2 on Monday November 20, 2023 @04:26PM (#38355058)
That tweet isn't about him so I don't follow. "Any OpenAI researcher" may or may not apply to him after this weekend's events.
Re:OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns by nopromisessir on Monday November 20, 2023 @04:40PM (#38355258)
Uh.... Are we gonna go through the definition of any? I believe any means... Any.

Including their head researcher.

I'm not continuing this. Your position is about as tenable as the boards. Equally rigid as well.

Re:OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns by loeg on Monday November 20, 2023 @01:09PM (#38351818)
The article mentions Ilya regrets it, whatever his role was.
Re:OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns by dragonwriter on Monday November 20, 2023 @01:18PM (#38351976)
But what does Ilya regret, and how does that counter the argument that Microsoft would likely be disinclined to take him on?

If what he regrets is realizing the divergence between the direction Sam was taking the firm and the safety orientation nominally central to the mission of the OpenAI nonprofit and which is one of Ilya's public core concerns too late, and taking action aimed at stopping it than instead exacerbated the problem by just putting Microsoft in a position to take poach key staff and drive full force in the same direction OpenAI Global LLC had been under Sam but without any control fromm the OpenAI board, well, that's not a regret that makes him more attractive to Microsoft, either based on his likely intentions or his judgement.

And any regret more aligned with Microsoft's interests as far as intentions is probably even a stronger negative signal on judgement.

Re:OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns by loeg on Monday November 20, 2023 @09:06PM (#38357982)
I wasn't disagreeing, just adding the little context I had.
Re:OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns by cbozeman on Monday November 20, 2023 @01:23PM (#38352055)
Yeah, I'm sure he does regret it, now that it blew up in his face.