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Re:Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft by stingraycharles on Monday November 20, 2023 @05:43AM (#38346081)
How will they be able to continue doing their things without money?

It seems like people forget that it was the investors’ money that made all this possible in the first place.

Re:Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft by jampekka on Monday November 20, 2023 @06:32AM (#38346524)
Developing new algorithms and methods doesn't necessarily, or even typically, take billions.
Re:Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft by sebzim4500 on Monday November 20, 2023 @06:36AM (#38346564)
Yeah but testing if they work does, that's the problem.

There are probably load so ways you can make language models with 100M parameters more efficient, but most of them won't scale to models with 100B parameters.

IIRC there is a bit of a phase transition that happens around 7B parameters where the distribution of activations changes qualitatively.

Anthropic have interpretability papers where their method does not work for 'small' models (with ~5B parameters) but works great for models with >50B parameters.

Re:Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft by kvetching on Monday November 20, 2023 @07:47AM (#38347200)
Deep NN aren't the only path to AGI... They actually could be one of the worst paths

For Example, check out the proceedings of the AGI Conference that's been going on for 16 years. https://www.agi-conference.org/

I have faith that Ilya. He's not going to allow this blunder to define his reputation.

He's going to go all in on research to find something to replace Transformers, leaving everyone else in the dust.

Re:Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft by eightysixfour on Monday November 20, 2023 @10:55AM (#38349725)
You mean the person who just signed the letter saying he’d quit if the board doesn’t fire themselves and bring back Sam? That Ilya?
Re:Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft by fevangelou on Monday November 20, 2023 @06:59AM (#38346780)
100M users perhaps?
Re:Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft by stingraycharles on Monday November 20, 2023 @07:13AM (#38346893)
But as I understand it they’re still losing money, as much as $0.30 on every ChatGPT query.
Re:Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft by johnsimer on Monday November 20, 2023 @07:30AM (#38347042)
Not true

Sama on X said as of late 2022 they were single digit pennies per query and dropping

Re:Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft by hef19898 on Monday November 20, 2023 @07:38AM (#38347120)
The only financial statements I believe are those signed of by external auditors. And even there my trust only goes that far.
Re:Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft by insanitybit on Monday November 20, 2023 @07:49AM (#38347217)
Pretty sure that it would be illegal for them to tweet insider information like that if it were false, since it's effectively a statement to shareholders.
Re:Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft by hef19898 on Monday November 20, 2023 @07:50AM (#38347233)
I'll take securities fraud for 420, please, but private.
Re:Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft by insanitybit on Monday November 20, 2023 @07:52AM (#38347261)
That's exactly the point - by tweeting insider information you are making a public statement. We've learned this very recently...
Re:Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft by hashhar on Monday November 20, 2023 @10:00AM (#38349212)
Parent meant probably meant that there's no securities fraud since no securities are involved as it's not a traded company.
Re:Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft by insanitybit on Monday November 20, 2023 @01:44PM (#38352439)
The shareholders are still invested, they still have a 401A Evaluation, and these statements are definitely going to have legal weight.
Re:Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft by mbreese on Monday November 20, 2023 @07:35AM (#38347085)
New models might have different economics…
Re:Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft by m-p-3 on Monday November 20, 2023 @08:58AM (#38348143)
Still, they must be bleeding money with the humoungous amount of queries they get.
Re:Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft by starfallg on Monday November 20, 2023 @07:47AM (#38347198)
Now that OpenAI is the leader in the field, it has a lot of monetisation avenues above and over the existing income streams of parterships, ChatGPT+ and API access.
Re:Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft by TerrifiedMouse on Monday November 20, 2023 @08:30AM (#38347703)
Is their deal with Microsoft exclusive tech transfer wise? If not they can always sell/license what they have to Google, Facebook, and Amazon. They should be able to get quite a bit of money to last a while.