Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

Re:Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks b... by ignoramous on Monday November 20, 2023 @12:59AM (#38343079)

> Did he really fire Sam over "AI safety" concerns? How is that remotely rational.

Not rational iff (and unlike Sustkever, Hinton, Bengio) you are not a "doomer" / "decel". Ilya's very vocal and on record that he suspects there may be "something else" going on with these models. He and DeepMind claim AlphaGo is already AGI (correction: ASI) in a very narrow domain (https://www.arxiv-vanity.com/papers/2311.02462/). Ilya particularly predicts it is a given that Neural Networks would achieve broad AGI (superintelligence) before alignment is figured out, unless researchers start putting more resources in it.

(like LeCun, I am not a doomer; but I am also not Hinton to know any better)

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Re:Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks b... by esjeon on Monday November 20, 2023 @01:22AM (#38343328)

> AGI in a very narrow domain

The definition of AGI always puzzles me, because "G" in AGI is general, and the word certainly don't play well w/ "narrow". AGI is a new buzzword I guess.

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Re:Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks b... by og_kalu on Monday November 20, 2023 @01:30AM (#38343397)

Well there's nothing narrow about sota LLMs. The main hinge is just competence.

i think the guy you're replying to misunderstood the article he's alluding to though. They don't claim anything about a narrow agi

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Re:Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks b... by sgregnt on Monday November 20, 2023 @01:19AM (#38343292)

Can you please share the sources for Ilyas views?

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Re:Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks b... by ignoramous on Monday November 20, 2023 @01:20AM (#38343309)

https://archive.is/yjOmt

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Re:Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks b... by zxexz on Monday November 20, 2023 @01:50AM (#38343582)

For what it's worth, the MIT Technology Review these days is considered to be closer to a "tech tabloid" than an actual news source. I personally would find it hard to believe (on gut instinct, nothing empirical) that AGI has been achieved before we have a general playbook for domain-specific SotA models. And I'm of the 'faction' that AGI can't come soon enough.

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Re:Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks b... by ignoramous on Monday November 20, 2023 @02:10AM (#38343762)

> hard to believe (on gut instinct, nothing empirical) that AGI has been achieved before we have a general playbook for domain-specific SotA models

Ilya is pretty serious about alignment (precisely?) due to his gut instinct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft0gTO2K85A (2 Nov 2023)

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Re:Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks b... by zxexz on Saturday November 25, 2023 @11:49PM (#38419250)

I don't doubt he's serious in what he believes. I respect Ilya greatly as a researcher. Do you have notes or a time-point for me to listen to in that podcast? I bemoan the trend toward podcasts-as-references - even a time-point reference (or even multiple!) to the transcript would be greatly desirable!

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Re:Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks b... by mcpackieh on Monday November 20, 2023 @01:09AM (#38343176)

> "[Artificial General Intelligence] in a very narrow domain."

Which is it?

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Re:Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks b... by maxlin on Monday November 20, 2023 @01:26AM (#38343360)

I think the guy read the paper he linked the wrong way. The paper explicitly separates "narrow" and "AGI" types where AlphaGo is in the virtuoso bracket for narrow AI, and ChatGPT is in the "emerging" bracket for "general" AI. Only thing it puts to be AGI is few levels up from virtuoso, but in the "general" type.

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Re:Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks b... by ignoramous on Monday November 20, 2023 @01:21AM (#38343319)

Read the paper linked above, and if you don't agree that's okay. There are many who don't.

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Re:Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks b... by calf on Monday November 20, 2023 @01:41AM (#38343495)

Has anyone written a response to this paper? Their main gist is to try to define AGI empirically using only what is measurable.

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Re:Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks b... by maxlin on Monday November 20, 2023 @01:30AM (#38343393)

Check it again, I think you might have misread the thing. It categorizes things in a way that clearly separates AlphaGO from even shooting towards "AGI". The "General" part of AGI can't really be skipped or words don't make any sense anymore.

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Re:Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks b... by ignoramous on Monday November 20, 2023 @01:32AM (#38343416)

Ah, gotcha; I meant "superintelligence" (which is ASI and not AGI).

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