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Re:Altman Sought Billions for AI Chip Venture Before OpenAI ... by kmlevitt on Sunday November 19, 2023 @03:17PM (#38337363)
Actually I don’t think he does have a fiduciary duty to OpenAI, and neither does the board. It’s a non-profit.
Re:Altman Sought Billions for AI Chip Venture Before OpenAI ... by seanmcdirmid on Sunday November 19, 2023 @03:41PM (#38337652)
Non-profits totally have boards with fiduciary duties. Just because it’s a non profit doesn’t mean it isn’t being juiced for money by others. It just means that the org can’t make a profit, but it can totally spend its money unwisely so that it winds up in someone’s pockets. Heck, most of America’s hospital systems are like that.
Re:Altman Sought Billions for AI Chip Venture Before OpenAI ... by kmlevitt on Sunday November 19, 2023 @04:11PM (#38338081)
The “fiduciary duty“ of a nonprofit, such as it is, is just securing operating funds so that it can Fulfil its mission. Altman has been spectacularly successful at achieving that goal by obtaining $10 billion in funding. Better, cheaper, or more power efficient chips, whatever the source, would absolutely help through the mission too. and that of course is assuming they actually buy or use them at all in the first place. Firing him on the grounds that it could potentially be a bad deal that “lines his pockets“ sometime in the future seems premature.

I think it’s a real stretch to say this chip company would be a violation of his “fiduciary duty“ to open AI. The best argument you could make is that he has a conflict of interest with a competitor. But again, open AI is a nonprofit. It doesn’t have “competitors“. Either it has the funding it needs and is fulfilling its mission or it isn’t.

Re:Altman Sought Billions for AI Chip Venture Before OpenAI ... by sangnoir on Sunday November 19, 2023 @04:59PM (#38338707)
Fiduciary =/= monetary profits. The board (including Altman) has to put OpenAI's interest first, that is their fiduciary duty.
Re:Altman Sought Billions for AI Chip Venture Before OpenAI ... by kmlevitt on Sunday November 19, 2023 @05:56PM (#38339424)
It's still not clear to me how a board member prospectively running a chip company (a related but different business) works against OpenAI's interests. And people here seem to be making an awful lot of assumptions in order to somehow connect those dots.
Re:Altman Sought Billions for AI Chip Venture Before OpenAI ... by Nevermark on Sunday November 19, 2023 @07:11PM (#38340201)
Sam Altman has inside information on OpenAI's current and future hardware needs. Sam Altman as CEO, was in a position to direct OpenAI's current and future hardware purchases.

How can he separate those concerns from having his own hardware initiative put together precisely to serve OpenAI and its competitors hardware needs?

Without an agreement with the OpenAI board on how these conflicts of trade secret information and executive power can be settled (Significant shares in the new company for OpenAI?) no competent board would put up with this.

This situation smacks of the ethically questionable transition to a closed/profit organization, after receiving initial funding based on their being an open/non-profit organization. (Apparently the original funders didn't retain any veto power over such a transition, to the regret of at least one significant donor.)

Re:Altman Sought Billions for AI Chip Venture Before OpenAI ... by kmlevitt on Sunday November 19, 2023 @11:23PM (#38342231)
>Without an agreement with the OpenAI board on how these conflicts of trade secret information and executive power can be settled (Significant shares in the new company for OpenAI?) no competent board would put up with this.

I would say if they really did anticipate and worry about such an issue, a competent board would work toward forging such an agreement, rather than firing the CEO years before the aforementioned chip company even existed and before telling any of their other stakeholders.

Re:Altman Sought Billions for AI Chip Venture Before OpenAI ... by Nevermark on Monday November 20, 2023 @10:04PM (#38358501)
Well when you put it that way ... yeah. That would have been great.
Re:Altman Sought Billions for AI Chip Venture Before OpenAI ... by xiphias2 on Sunday November 19, 2023 @05:59PM (#38339459)
Me:

Does non-profit ceo and board have fiduciary duty?

ChatGPT:

Yes, both non-profit CEOs and board members have fiduciary duties. These responsibilities are critical to ensuring that the organization operates in the best interests of its mission and stakeholders. The primary fiduciary duties include:

1. *Duty of Care*: This requires board members and the CEO to act with the care an ordinarily prudent person in a like position would exercise under similar circumstances. It involves being informed and participating actively in decision-making processes.

2. *Duty of Loyalty*: This duty mandates that the CEO and board members act in the best interests of the non-profit, avoiding conflicts of interest and personal gain.

3. *Duty of Obedience*: This refers to the obligation to ensure that the organization complies with its internal governance policies, as well as all applicable laws and regulations. It also involves adhering to the non-profit's mission and purpose.

Non-profit leaders are expected to uphold these duties to maintain the trust of donors, beneficiaries, and the public, and to ensure the effective and ethical management of the organization. Failure to meet these responsibilities can lead to legal consequences and damage the organization's reputation and effectiveness.

Re:Altman Sought Billions for AI Chip Venture Before OpenAI ... by seanmcdirmid on Sunday November 19, 2023 @08:13PM (#38340824)
I’m not taking a side here because I don’t know the facts of the case. But a conflict of interest is a huge deal because it could lead to spending more money than necessary, and is also the main way people juice non profits for profits somewhere else. Of course, if they start a chip company out in the open and not granting it money or guaranteed business from the non profit, things might be up to standard.