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Re:Not Everyone Agreed with Einstein–Including Children, Sch... by aleph_minus_one on Saturday November 18, 2023 @10:40PM (#38328542)
> The Walter Issacson biography quoted Kip Thorne as saying if Einstein didn’t come up with relativity, likely no one would have for 30-40 years after.

Even for general relativity, it is not clear whether this statement is true, see

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity_priority_di...

According to this Wikipedia article, David Hilbert came up with a different derivation of general relativity at about the same time as Albert Einstein.

Re:Not Everyone Agreed with Einstein–Including Children, Sch... by ramraj07 on Saturday November 18, 2023 @10:49PM (#38328639)
The great insight IMO was special theory; the General Theory was I suppose a bit more obvious generalization that just needed the math to be figured out..
Re:Not Everyone Agreed with Einstein–Including Children, Sch... by pdonis on Saturday November 18, 2023 @10:52PM (#38328666)
The fact that Einstein only took a fairly short time (IIRC less than a year once he started working on it in earnest) to develop and publish SR, whereas it took him ten more years before he published GR, strongly indicates that GR was much more difficult.
Re:Not Everyone Agreed with Einstein–Including Children, Sch... by rowanG077 on Sunday November 19, 2023 @09:13AM (#38332793)
GR is much more heavyweight in terms of maths. But once SR was clear it was "just" an extension to the same ideas. The leap here was the original idea that gave rise to SR. The rest could have been worked out by most physicist of the time.
Re:Not Everyone Agreed with Einstein–Including Children, Sch... by pdonis on Sunday November 19, 2023 @02:54PM (#38337112)
> GR is much more heavyweight in terms of maths.

As compared to SR as Einstein originally developed it, yes. But note that modern usage of SR often makes use of the same differential geometry tools that were developed for GR--because those tools turn out to be useful even in flat spacetime.

> But once SR was clear it was "just" an extension to the same ideas.

Again, if that were the case one would not have expected it to take ten years to get to GR. Yes, Einstein had to learn about Riemannian geometry from Grossmann, but that didn't take him anywhere close to the ten years to do. He spent most of that ten years struggling with the physical concepts involved, not learning the math.

> The leap here was the original idea that gave rise to SR. The rest could have been worked out by most physicist of the time.

This is strongly contradicted by the fact that there were many other physicists working on a relativistic theory of gravity at the time--and they all got it wrong. Only Einstein, and Hilbert (who was a mathematician, not a physicist) after getting key input from Einstein, got it right.

Re:Not Everyone Agreed with Einstein–Including Children, Sch... by aleph_minus_one on Saturday November 18, 2023 @10:58PM (#38328729)
For special relativity, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_special_relativity

The necessary transformations for special relativity (Lorentz transformations) were already developed by Hendrik Lorentz and Henri Poincaré. Einstein's central contribution for special relativity was to reinterpret these equations in a novel way.

Re:Not Everyone Agreed with Einstein–Including Children, Sch... by mjklin on Sunday November 19, 2023 @12:33PM (#38335100)
Exactly. The innovation was in belief that the theoretical could also be real, that the equations could be trusted. Just as with Maxwell predicting the speed of light or Darwin studying birds—these scientists had the courage to firmly state the conclusion implied by their work.
Re:Not Everyone Agreed with Einstein–Including Children, Sch... by pdonis on Saturday November 18, 2023 @10:51PM (#38328656)
> David Hilbert came up with a different way of deriving general relativity at about the same time as Albert Einstein

But he did that only after having Einstein visit him for several weeks in the summer of 1915 and having long discussions with Einstein about the latter's ongoing efforts to discover a general theory of relativity. AFAIK Hilbert himself acknowledged that his final effort was only possible because of all the work that Einstein had already done.