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Re:Most Americans are oblivious to 'forever chemicals' and r... by andtong on Saturday November 18, 2023 @04:53AM (#38317524)
We need to vote with our wallets. Stop giving money to companies that continue to use dangerous chemicals. They'll stop when it affects their bottom line.

We owe it to ourselves to transition to more biodegradable products. I'm transitioning bit by bit. This book[1] has some ideas to get started.

[1] https://buildingabetterworldbook.com/

Re:Most Americans are oblivious to 'forever chemicals' and r... by verve_rat on Saturday November 18, 2023 @05:16AM (#38317701)
Voting with your wallet never works. You need to vote with your vote, or better yet, vote with a billionaire's wallet and buy some lobbyists.
Re:Most Americans are oblivious to 'forever chemicals' and r... by thuridas on Saturday November 18, 2023 @06:14AM (#38318124)
Why not both.

To start a change you need to vote with your wallet.

To make it law you need to vote in your ballot

Re:Most Americans are oblivious to 'forever chemicals' and r... by ethanbond on Saturday November 18, 2023 @09:45AM (#38320184)
“Why not” in this case because you have no clue which products have or don’t have these compounds, and whether any alternatives exist.

I go way out of my way to buy products that are specifically branded as free of e.g. PFAS, like in shampoos, but these “loudly branded” alternatives don’t exist in most categories.

Re:Most Americans are oblivious to 'forever chemicals' and r... by orangepurple on Saturday November 18, 2023 @08:35AM (#38319423)
Buying lobbyists works. You may need a few years or a few more decades to realize your other claims also don't work because the system has been completely gamed by vested interests.
Re:Most Americans are oblivious to 'forever chemicals' and r... by seec on Sunday November 19, 2023 @04:08PM (#38338040)
I would argue that it is actually the only thing that works, and the "real" vote is just for shows. You kinda agree with that in your last sentence. I don't think "real" voting works because it just reflects the aggregate of people's choices on a single variable. But your choices in life are an almost infinite number of variables and they almost always involve money/ressources. It's gotta be a more effective reflection when you consider the aggregate.

But anyway, in this case, I think the outrage is completely blown out of proportion and it probably isn't as bad as they make it out to be. It reads like a propaganda campaign from some government employed scientist that want funding to research the subject. I mean we should put some funds into it, but they have to give really hard results that it is actually a problem. So far everything on the subject is rather elusive and surface level. They use a lot of flowery language but not a whole lot of hard data...

Re:Most Americans are oblivious to 'forever chemicals' and r... by autoexec on Saturday November 18, 2023 @06:21AM (#38318194)
We need to stop pretending that voting with our wallet is effective. Nobody voted for toxic products in the first place. When consumers demanded Teflon free products companies just used slightly different chemicals that were just as bad.
Re:Most Americans are oblivious to 'forever chemicals' and r... by ericfrazier on Saturday November 18, 2023 @01:33PM (#38322807)
Tell that to Bud Light that voting with your wallet is ineffective.
Re:Most Americans are oblivious to 'forever chemicals' and r... by autoexec on Saturday November 18, 2023 @03:05PM (#38323779)
Did they stop making Bud Light? Did Anheuser-Busch go out of business? Seems like it's still the largest brewer in the world and still pulling in billions every year. I'm sure they'd have preferred to make even more money on top of the massive piles of cash they're swimming in, but they're sure as hell not hurting.
Re:Most Americans are oblivious to 'forever chemicals' and r... by mint2 on Saturday November 18, 2023 @09:47AM (#38320207)
Biodegradable as in compostable? Too bad they’re often lined with teflon.