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Re:Electric vehicle battery prices are falling faster than e... by rgmerk on Friday November 17, 2023 @06:18PM (#38312046)
They're already in Europe, and there is a price war.

In response, European automakers are both innovating and pressuring governments for restrictive measures.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-launches-anti-subsid...

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Re:Electric vehicle battery prices are falling faster than e... by kccqzy on Friday November 17, 2023 @06:57PM (#38312548)
No. The issue is more than just short term benefits for the consumer (price cuts). It's about anti-dumping.
Re:Electric vehicle battery prices are falling faster than e... by polishdude20 on Friday November 17, 2023 @08:54PM (#38313947)
Why is it that we let China manufacture aosr everything else but cars are a restricted category?
Re:Electric vehicle battery prices are falling faster than e... by Renaud on Friday November 17, 2023 @10:34PM (#38314764)
The car industry is still massive in Europe, it's a big employer and in many localities, it's basically the only one.

China help its manufacturers a lot, regulations are lax around worker and environment rights, wages are kept artificially low, subsidies, tax cuts, export, creating an unfair competitive advantage to European cars.

Europe might never be able to compete fairly, and it's looking at ways to penalize the import of these cheap cars to rebalance the market.

I think that beyond the purely short term economics, there is a real danger that you are jeopardizing your sovereignty if you relinquish such a huge chunk of your transportation capabilities and become hostage to the whims of a country that doesn't value your vision of the world.

It becomes more than just being able to buy cheap cars and letting the market sort it out. It's about geopolitics, relevance and survival or your way of life.

Re:Electric vehicle battery prices are falling faster than e... by antupis on Saturday November 18, 2023 @12:43AM (#38315831)
Or Germans protect their biggest export.
Re:Electric vehicle battery prices are falling faster than e... by TapWaterBandit on Friday November 17, 2023 @11:35PM (#38315248)
The last thing the West needs is to allow China to gut another manufacturing sector. 1/3 of global manufacturing is already in China and they are far and away the single largest manufacturer in the world (comfortably beating the USA as well).

The loss of the ability to make large amounts of stuff at a certain point becomes a national security issue.

Re:Electric vehicle battery prices are falling faster than e... by Goodroo on Saturday November 18, 2023 @01:13PM (#38322536)
The problem is that China is the biggest market in the world and western auto makers sell more cars in China than in their respective home markets. Protectionism will only benefit Chinese car makers. I mean, BYD would love to have a captive 27 million car a year market by themselves.
Re:Electric vehicle battery prices are falling faster than e... by jpgvm on Saturday November 18, 2023 @11:53PM (#38329149)
People don't seem to realise this is already playing out with semiconductors. Huawei didn't go away despite crushing sanctions. Same for Longsoon. Both still need fabs, both are now captive customers of SMIC despite previously being huge customers of TSMC. SMIC now has the required guaranteed volume to sink money into new nodes instead of just making automotive/appliance level chips. This whole thing is going to go down as the worst blunder in geopolitical maneuvers of all time. While the West completely controlled the most important parts of the pipeline they always had innate advantage. Trump gave that up for a one time, single decade advantage forcing Biden to double down to try make the best out of a slow motion train crash.
Re:Electric vehicle battery prices are falling faster than e... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday November 19, 2023 @02:11AM (#38330013)
> SMIC now has the required guaranteed volume to sink money into new nodes instead of just making automotive/appliance level chips

They're at least a decade and a half behind the West. At the current rate, they're able to mimic 7nm only with atrocious yields. This isn't something you learn your way out of, because there are fundamental technological jumps that need to be made to go to high yield that don't come naturally from maxing out older lithographic techniques.

Re:Electric vehicle battery prices are falling faster than e... by rootusrootus on Friday November 17, 2023 @11:43PM (#38315313)
Because we were stupid when it comes to the little things, but cars are expensive. And the gov't knows that in a pinch, a car manufacturer can figure out how to make tanks and planes. The last thing we want to do is let unfair competition from China kill off our native manufacturing ability.
Re:Electric vehicle battery prices are falling faster than e... by landemva on Saturday November 18, 2023 @01:29AM (#38316181)
Unfair competition due to fewer environmental regulations and fewer labor standards can be remedied by USA creating wage and environmental parity import duties/tariffs. This should apply to everything including iPods and rollerblades.
Re:Electric vehicle battery prices are falling faster than e... by rokkitmensch on Saturday November 18, 2023 @03:42AM (#38317030)
I am stoutly unconvinced of the notion that the United States is capable of formulating plans, much less executing on them.
Re:Electric vehicle battery prices are falling faster than e... by mensetmanusman on Friday November 17, 2023 @11:47PM (#38315354)
Because in realpolitik the ability to make cars is the ability to make artillery and protect your nationstate from the anarchy of nations.
Re:Electric vehicle battery prices are falling faster than e... by ggm on Saturday November 18, 2023 @06:34AM (#38318297)
This. Australia subsidised Ford and GM(Holden) onshore production across the cold war to ensure a domestic tank and aircraft capacity. In modern times the minute the subsidies ended they shut down.
Re:Electric vehicle battery prices are falling faster than e... by vkou on Friday November 17, 2023 @11:54PM (#38315433)
Because every nation that claims to love free trade is incredibly protective of its high-value-add heavy industry.
Re:Electric vehicle battery prices are falling faster than e... by seanmcdirmid on Saturday November 18, 2023 @01:54AM (#38316310)
Because China doesn’t want to drop its tariffs on imported cars, and so the USA reciprocates. The more interesting question is why other countries don’t apply tariffs to imported Chinese cars (since they would still do the same), although it is probably a non-concern in countries without their own auto industries.
Re:Electric vehicle battery prices are falling faster than e... by pjc50 on Saturday November 18, 2023 @08:54AM (#38319611)
People complain about the cost of the transition away from fossil fuels, and then China offers to subsidize Europe ending its dependency on imported oil, and people are ungrateful?