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Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by bluGill on Friday November 17, 2023 @07:02AM (#38302368)
Some people. There are people who think Starbucks is too expensive. There are people who donate to open source.
Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by FirmwareBurner on Friday November 17, 2023 @07:09AM (#38302427)
I don't know anyone who doesn't think Starbucks is overpriced slop. In any European city you'll find local cafes with better quality and prices than what Starbucks sell.

They seem to only be present in the big metro areas that attract a lot of tourists and immigrants who are familiar with the Starbucks brand and go for that out of habbit and know quality, similar to how McDonald's is so popular.

Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by creshal on Friday November 17, 2023 @07:36AM (#38302655)
Looks like you offended some Americans' sensibilities, but it's pretty much on point outside the US. We already have a coffee culture, we don't need union-busting megacorps giving us worse for higher prices and lower worker wages, thanks.
Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by zrail on Friday November 17, 2023 @07:34AM (#38302636)
Weird flex but ok. In any area big enough to have a Starbucks in the US you'll find at least one local cafe that has better coffee. You'll also find at least one with much worse coffee that thinks they're better.

As you say, people go to Starbucks and McDonalds for familiar known quality and you should be happy for it. That way the tourists and immigrants stay out of your local cafe.

Edit: to be clear I'm not defending supranational billion dollar corporations here.

Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by creshal on Friday November 17, 2023 @07:39AM (#38302694)
Tourists and immigrants giving their money to an US company that funnels all the money away from the local tax collectors and underpays their workers is still a net negative. All we're left with is their pollution, and no tax revenue to pay for its removal.
Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by sugarpile on Friday November 17, 2023 @08:06AM (#38302936)
Sounds like an issue to take up with your government. Don’t complain that other people spend _their_ money in a way _you_ disagree with.
Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by creshal on Friday November 17, 2023 @08:49AM (#38303494)
"You can't blame us for offering bribes, you can only blame the people who take them" is a weird idea of morality.
Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by joshmanders on Friday November 17, 2023 @10:06AM (#38304543)
I mean you're the one who votes for your officials in your area, so if they're accepting bribes that is kind of on you isn't it?

I as a tourist didn't elect your officials, so it's not on me.

Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by bluGill on Friday November 17, 2023 @08:30AM (#38303243)
You need to meet more people. I know many who think Starbucks is great coffee. I know others who hate it. That is diversity.
Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by OfSanguineFire on Friday November 17, 2023 @08:58AM (#38303603)
> In any European city you'll find...

This is so ridiculously optimistic and misinformed. In Poland’s cities, for example, the cafes mainly belong to chains like Costa Coffee and Green Coffee Nero, which act identically to Starbucks in terms of prices, quality, and range of drinks. There aren’t many independent cafes left, let alone ones with lower prices than a Starbucks. Similarly, in Helsinki the choice largely comes down to chains like Espresso House and Robert’s Coffee that are no different than Starbucks.

Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by FirmwareBurner on Friday November 17, 2023 @09:05AM (#38303707)
That sounds strange and mildly concerning for Poland, as Romanian cities are full with small local cafes not part of any chains, but unlike Starbucks & Co. they're just cafes, as in you go there to get a coffee and drink it, not to loiter for hours on a macbook and use it as a coworking space. Kind of like how it's in Italy/Portugal/Austria.
Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by OfSanguineFire on Friday November 17, 2023 @09:11AM (#38303792)
If you are posting from Romania, then you have a very warped perception of Europe’s cafes overall. But even in Romania, the old Central European and Balkan tradition of the cafe as a home away from home for intellectuals is dying. It has been well over a decade now since many of Cluj’s independent cafes began to play loud blooming music to discourage lingering, and staff were instructed to immediately pick up a customer’s empty glass and say “Va mai servesc cu ceva?", in order to nudge the customer to order more or get out. And of course, prices have risen to about the same as Starbucks.
Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by FirmwareBurner on Friday November 17, 2023 @09:18AM (#38303907)
>many of Cluj’s independent cafes began to play loud blooming music to discourage lingering

Maybe because Cluj is an overrated, overpriced Silicon Valley wannabe (sorry to be so blunt), so greedy old-town cafe owners jack up prices to match IT workers' and tourists' purchasing power. In Iasi for example, there's still small neighborhood cafes that sell affordable coffee, you just gotta avoid the old town and city center where all IT workers and tourists gather.

>then you have a very warped perception of Europe overall

Doubt it. Go to Italy, Portugal, Austria and many others, and it's full of small family owned cafes and traditional coffee houses serving just affordable coffee and cakes, not acting like a tourist trap or hipster co-working space.

Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by OfSanguineFire on Friday November 17, 2023 @09:47AM (#38304325)
The development I mentioned in Cluj predates the IT-sector boom, let alone the tourist boom. It began in the student cafes, and it can be ascribed to the fact that running a profitable cafe is hard. You like to make claims about things you know little about, don’t you?

“Go to Italy, Portugal, Austria and many others” The countries you mention by name are either southern European or Central European. You need more firsthand experience than that to make such blanket statements as "In any European city you'll find...", like you did in the OP.

Your idea that Starbucks is unusual in that people stay there for hours, while independent cafes are necessarily drink-and-go experiences, is horribly misinformed. Go to the Western Balkans, where there are few or no Starbucks around, but myriad independent cafes where men often spend half the day on a single purchase. The cafe has always been a community center in that region. And in areas with high unemployment, ageing demographics, and little money, they also play an important role as simply a way to get out of the house.

Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by FirmwareBurner on Friday November 17, 2023 @10:16AM (#38304703)
>it can be ascribed to the fact that running a profitable cafe is hard.

Seems like a lot of countries have figured it out. Just how you put it below that some old cafes serve as gathering centers instead of profit centers. Yes, if you're a business owner looking to maximize profit, then a cafe selling cheap coffee is not a good way to make a lot of money, and post '89 Romania is all about money and less about community.

Re:The Lack of Compensation in Open Source Software Is Unsus... by jakubadamw on Friday November 17, 2023 @12:24PM (#38306735)
What? Which cities? In mine, Kraków, the above just isn't true. In my neighbourhood, there even isn't a chain-affiliated café that I could go to – if I wanted to in the first place – but there are five or six independent cafés in my immediate vicinity. Same with most Polish cities I've visited… That being said, yes, overall the number may be shrinking in favour of the chains. We're far from them becoming extinct, though.