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Re:Tuta (formerly Tutanota) denies claim it has intelligence... by treypitt on Tuesday November 14, 2023 @10:20AM (#38264331)
It seems obvious Five Eyes will not tolerate or legitimize any email provider that doesn't allow them access to subpoenas, at the very least - this rules out most of the privacy features touted by protonmail & tutanota (no logs, E2E encryption, etc).

Perhaps what makes the ruse convincing in Tutanota's case is the crappy interface and clear dearth of basic features: search basically doesn't work; it's impossible to select all messages or use shift to select pages of messages. Their excuse is that customers might accidentally delete emails, but it might make more sense that they want to retain as much data as possible: https://www.reddit.com/r/tutanota/comments/nc9jxx/suggestion...

Re:Tuta (formerly Tutanota) denies claim it has intelligence... by nicce on Tuesday November 14, 2023 @11:17AM (#38265260)
> Perhaps what makes the ruse convincing in Tutanota's case is the crappy interface and clear dearth of basic features: search basically doesn't work; it's impossible to select all messages or use shift to select pages of messages. Their excuse is that customers might accidentally delete emails, but it might make more sense that they want to retain as much data as possible: https://www.reddit.com/r/tutanota/comments/nc9jxx/suggestion...

Implementing search for E2EE mailbox is difficult problem (Protonmail is not doing the same). For search to be efficient, you would need to download the whole mailbox for your device. If you want to support as many users as possible, you can't. But maybe they could make it optional.

And they are very small team, offering mail for very low price (free for most), which has resulted on using Electron for producing the applications for as many platforms as possible. And it is a mess.

What comes to that Reddit post, it is two years old and they have supported mass selection for a long while for now.

Re:Tuta (formerly Tutanota) denies claim it has intelligence... by Ayesh on Tuesday November 14, 2023 @01:16PM (#38267190)
My naive thought is that they could have an E2EE search index for each mailbox? I wouldn't even mind if the index storage counts against the quota.
Re:Tuta (formerly Tutanota) denies claim it has intelligence... by nicce on Tuesday November 14, 2023 @01:52PM (#38267728)
Index processing should happen on the client's device (server never sees the content). That defeats the purpose since you need full mailbox on your device for that. At least in the beginning.

Maybe over longer period it would be possible to integrate and maintain the index so, that you can guarantee the correctness without full mailbox.

Re:Tuta (formerly Tutanota) denies claim it has intelligence... by blueflow on Tuesday November 14, 2023 @12:35PM (#38266555)
Tuta is not in Five Eyes jurisdiction, it is in Germany.
Re:Tuta (formerly Tutanota) denies claim it has intelligence... by Dah00n on Tuesday November 14, 2023 @03:52PM (#38269566)
No but it is in 14 eyes.
Re:Tuta (formerly Tutanota) denies claim it has intelligence... by anjel on Tuesday November 14, 2023 @12:43PM (#38266670)
Both proton and tuta cripple search so that deleting mail detritus is tedious so that you'll use up your free storage quota and have to subscribe.