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Re:Starship will attempt a launch this weekend by calderknight on Tuesday November 14, 2023 @04:55AM (#38261237)
The main component missing for an American crewed lunar landing is a lunar lander, which is planned to be a version of the Starship

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_HLS

Re:Starship will attempt a launch this weekend by dotnet00 on Tuesday November 14, 2023 @07:11AM (#38262318)
And spacesuits, NASA has been impressively ineffective at getting any kind of new spacesuit designs going, they're still just cycling between the leftovers from the shuttle.
Re:Starship will attempt a launch this weekend by calderknight on Tuesday November 14, 2023 @07:40AM (#38262578)
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Re:Starship will attempt a launch this weekend by chpatrick on Tuesday November 14, 2023 @09:05AM (#38263416)
According to that article the astronauts would go to orbit in an SLS then get into the Starship lander in orbit. Is that just for political reasons so there's some point to the SLS?
Re:Starship will attempt a launch this weekend by yoz-y on Tuesday November 14, 2023 @09:42AM (#38263831)
Afaik starship doesn't have and will not have an abort system. Lacking that, NASA will never put humans in it for takeoff from Earth.
Re:Starship will attempt a launch this weekend by chpatrick on Tuesday November 14, 2023 @09:44AM (#38263854)
SpaceX already takes people to the ISS though right?
Re:Starship will attempt a launch this weekend by chriswarbo on Tuesday November 14, 2023 @11:31AM (#38265522)
Yes, on Falcon 9/Dragon. That differs from Starship w.r.t. human-rating in a few ways:

- Dragon can do an emergency abort, by (a) accelerating away from the booster and (b) parachuting down to a soft-landing. Starship's upper stage is so massive that such acceleration and soft-landing seem out of reach (ideally an emergency-fallback-everything-has-gone-wrong mode shouldn't rely on tricky maneuvers like their landing flip!). There may be ways around that, e.g. using an ejectable module, but it would all need designing, building, testing, validating, etc.

- Falcon 9 needed to prove its reliability by performing many successful uncrewed missions. Starship will need to take the same approach, but hasn't managed any yet ;)

- SpaceX had to stop making changes/improvements to Falcon 9, since NASA would reset the successful-mission-count back to zero after major changes. SpaceX was willing to do that, since they had another rocket to focus on (Starship). Also, it helped that Falcon 9 had already exceeded their expectations by the "Block 5" design (which is why Falcon Heavy hasn't seen much use; Falcon 9 is very capable on its own!). Even when Starship is reliably launching, it will likely undergo design changes for a while.

- Getting Starship to the Moon will need in-orbit refuelling. That's untested, and more dangerous than docking and crew transfer (which is now routine), so it makes sense to launch the crew separately and transfer them to an already-refuelled Starship. This doesn't add much complexity, since refuelling requires multiple launches, orbital rendezvous and docking anyway. The choice of crew launcher is then arbitrary: SLS, Falcon 9, Soyuz, Starship, etc.

(Earth) launch and landing will be the hardest parts to get crew-rated, if they ever are. Perhaps the only human-rated approaches will be smaller, safer systems like Soyuz (or some modern replacement on that scale), with immediate transfer to a Starship or space station once orbital. Given its cargo lifting capacity, and station-sized living space, that would still be a great improvement over today (although maybe not enough to pay back SpaceX's costs)

Re:Starship will attempt a launch this weekend by chpatrick on Tuesday November 14, 2023 @12:15PM (#38266223)
I mean why don't the astronauts go to Starship in orbit on a Falcon 9 instead of SLS?
Re:Starship will attempt a launch this weekend by jdminhbg on Tuesday November 14, 2023 @01:31PM (#38267419)
Basically just because it's politically embarrassing that the SLS doesn't really make sense in the current launch environment.