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Re:Casino-like apps have drained people of millions by btbuildem on Sunday November 12, 2023 @09:50AM (#38240517)
If you could earn real money in a physical casino, casinos would cease to exist.

Edit for clarification: excluding the staff, who obviously earn wages there, if the average person made any money gambling in an average casino, casinos would quickly go bankrupt.

Re:Casino-like apps have drained people of millions by xDetoursx on Sunday November 12, 2023 @09:57AM (#38240598)
You can earn real money in casinos, that's why they do exist. They pay out just often enough for people to believe that they are one pull away from hitting a jackpot.

If they never paid out, people would never go and the casinos would not exist

Re:Casino-like apps have drained people of millions by AlexandrB on Sunday November 12, 2023 @10:14AM (#38240772)
I recently saw a good video[1] covering the history and appeal of gambling machines. My takeaway is that the primary reason people play these is not because they think they're going to win money. This especially true of pachinko where "cashing out" is a convoluted process of trading balls for prizes for cash.

> If they never paid out, people would never go and the casinos would not exist

This is self evidently false based on the linked article. Random chance games that have no possibility of ever having a net payout attract tons of players and make a lot of money.

I think the problem is analyzing this with the economic "rational consumer" model of human behavior. Gambling is not rational but extremely popular because people are not rational. The whole industry is a trap that feeds users dopamine rewards in exchange for money. Once you're in, the payouts have little to do with it.

[1] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jQIHqkudgNY

Re:Casino-like apps have drained people of millions by sebastianz on Sunday November 12, 2023 @10:20AM (#38240858)
His point is that the average person that walks into a casino loses money by definition, as the casino designs its offers in that way.

If the average person would win money, the casino would cease to exist.

Re:Casino-like apps have drained people of millions by im3w1l on Sunday November 12, 2023 @10:26AM (#38240929)
This whole article is about apps that are up-front about never paying out cash. Money turns into points, points can be lost or turn into more points. But points never ever turn back into cash. And yet people play.
Re:Casino-like apps have drained people of millions by tromp on Sunday November 12, 2023 @10:18AM (#38240830)
Poorly phrased. You mean casinos wouldn't exist if the expected winnings were positive (or more precisely, not negative enough to offset their fixed costs of rental, maintenance, and salaries).
Re:Casino-like apps have drained people of millions by baobabKoodaa on Sunday November 12, 2023 @10:02AM (#38240655)
What a strange, nonsensical comment.