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Re:Win-Vind: Vim powers with speed of thought in Windows 11 by inferiorhuman on Sunday November 12, 2023 @02:49AM (#38238233)
I… what? OSX has been very keyboard friendly for as long as I can remember. Sonoma is buggier than previous versions, but you're been able use the keyboard to navigate most UI widgets except for the menus just as before.
Re:Win-Vind: Vim powers with speed of thought in Windows 11 by eviks on Sunday November 12, 2023 @03:24AM (#38238407)
> except for the menus just as before.

that's a huge exception

Re:Win-Vind: Vim powers with speed of thought in Windows 11 by fragmede on Sunday November 12, 2023 @04:15AM (#38238677)
it's not discoverable in the slightest, but if you hit fn-control-f2, you can access the menus via cursor keys instead of having to use the mouse
Re:Win-Vind: Vim powers with speed of thought in Windows 11 by inferiorhuman on Sunday November 12, 2023 @04:41AM (#38238782)
It's actually listed here:

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201236

And so is "open the help menu" which would take you right to the menu search widget, but that doesn't seem to work at all in Firefox or Electron apps.

Re:Win-Vind: Vim powers with speed of thought in Windows 11 by eviks on Sunday November 12, 2023 @04:55AM (#38238860)
Thanks for the tip, I'm aware of it, but it breaks the core benefit of Alt+X : guaranteed repeats, with fn-control-f2-F-Enter you can't be certain to open the File menu since there might be another menu starting with F

Predictability is a core feature of UI design

Anyway, personally I use a better alternative to fully recreate the Alt+X to open a menu via keyboard maestro, so I've sovled the issue for myself, but it still is a core Mac deficiency contrary to the "OSX has been very keyboard friendly" claim

Re:Win-Vind: Vim powers with speed of thought in Windows 11 by abdusco on Sunday November 12, 2023 @02:57AM (#38238273)
It has no access keys (underlined letters in menus) which forces you to use touchpad
Re:Win-Vind: Vim powers with speed of thought in Windows 11 by inferiorhuman on Sunday November 12, 2023 @04:43AM (#38238797)
You can definitely navigate the menu bar with your keyboard, there's even a little search thing in there to search through the menu items.
Re:Win-Vind: Vim powers with speed of thought in Windows 11 by Sakos on Sunday November 12, 2023 @05:35AM (#38239059)
What does that have to do with it? They're clearly going for the aesthetic without considerations for how users actually interact with it. It's likely they don't even know how what keyboard navigation is like on MacOS, because they don't use keyboard navigation.