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Re:Americans need a six-figure salary to afford a new home i... by palashkulsh on Saturday November 11, 2023 @02:01AM (#38228163)
Just curious why aren't groceries near by, are local shops also not available. Is it because of price of real estate for shop Or high labour cost with low margin
Re:Americans need a six-figure salary to afford a new home i... by MichaelRo on Saturday November 11, 2023 @02:41AM (#38228345)
I don't believe for a bit that in a relatively densely populated suburban area there are no independent shops, it violates the fundamental presumption of capitalism which is that there's always an entrepreneur looking to make money out of dry stone.

My observation is that literally where there's 10 people, the 11'th one will try to sell them something. Hamlets of 100 houses have 2 grocery stores, 3 bars and a slot machine parlor.

I also live in a suburban area in Europe and there's shops everywhere. Noone "planned them", it's just the observation above. And yeah, house prices went through the roof also, probably went up everywhere where there's no war or famine going on regularly.

The thing I hate most about housing are traffic jams. The more they build and cram more "affordable housing", the worse the nightmare of getting anywhere becomes. Coze at some point you know, you'll need something that's just not within "walking distance" and then you're funked.

Re:Americans need a six-figure salary to afford a new home i... by opportune on Saturday November 11, 2023 @02:45AM (#38228363)
It doesn’t matter whether you believe in it or not lol, it simply is that way. I can send you a Google maps link to somewhere in the US that is a food desert simply by virtue of being a large suburb with residential zoning.

My guess is your conception of a suburban area (relatively densely populated?) is a bit different from ours in the US. Also for some reason you seem to think that because your area doesn’t have zoning or enforce it, other places don’t.

Re:Americans need a six-figure salary to afford a new home i... by OfSanguineFire on Saturday November 11, 2023 @04:08AM (#38228670)
You really should have visited American suburbia before posting that. American zoning is too strict and, due to a sprawl of single-family homes, population numbers too low to permit shops in many suburbs. Once has to leave the maze of residential roads and get onto a main thoroughfare before one will find a convenience store or, often more likely, a petrol station with a shop. And that is often too long a distance to reasonably walk even for avid walkers.

And if you write "independent shops", that is no longer true of even many European countries. While people do have a nearby shop, it might be typically from a chain (R-Kioski in Finland is essentially a monopoly, Żabka in Poland is omnipresent). The situation of, say, Spain, with its Chinese and Pakistani-owned independent shops, or Romania with its local family-owned shops does not extend over the whole EU.

Re:Americans need a six-figure salary to afford a new home i... by fragmede on Saturday November 11, 2023 @04:13AM (#38228693)
https://maps.app.goo.gl/t5WFFQDKNprGs1NXA

Random suburb in California, USA. Use Google streetview and find a shop within walking distance.

Re:Americans need a six-figure salary to afford a new home i... by OfSanguineFire on Saturday November 11, 2023 @04:50AM (#38228858)
Not the best example IMO. San Jose is quite urban, and that point on your map is just 2.4 km from Pruneyard Plaza shopping center with its Trader Joes. From various European urban contexts I have lived in, I personally would consider that walking distance. Of course I understand that in the US, where any distance over 250 m involves getting in the car, it wouldn’t be. And also, American street grids tend to have more intersections with waits, so it takes longer to walk short distances.
Re:Americans need a six-figure salary to afford a new home i... by tpmoney on Saturday November 11, 2023 @11:02AM (#38231460)
So I clicked your link, clicked "search nearby" and plugged in grocery store. From the pin point at your link, there is a Safeway and a Grocery Outlet both within 1 mile of the pin, and there appear to be sidewalks heading to both. 1 mile is definitely something I'd consider "walking distance" (I used to walk that distance to school every day). If you're willing to walk 2 miles, you can get to both a Target and a Home Depot and again as near as I can see, sidewalks the whole way. There's a post office 3/4 of a mile away, 2 elementary schools within a mile and 2 high schools within a 1.5 miles. 2 parks within about a half a mile and and international food market within 1.5 miles.

If you want a walkable / bikeable neighborhood you could certainly do a lot worse than this random suburb in California.

Re:Americans need a six-figure salary to afford a new home i... by lukevp on Saturday November 11, 2023 @02:17AM (#38228233)
It’s just hyperbole. Suburbs have grocery stores too. I’ve lived in many small towns, cities, and suburbs on several states and was never more than 10 mins from a grocery store. I live on the outskirts of the suburbs in an unincorporated part of the county ( not even in a city) and I have multiple grocery stores within 10 minutes.
Re:Americans need a six-figure salary to afford a new home i... by opportune on Saturday November 11, 2023 @02:22AM (#38228249)
It really depends on the structure of the suburb. If you are in a large planned suburb in some areas, it’s actually possible that driving out of your suburb takes 5-10m and you may need to get on the highway to get to the nearest supermarket. 40minutes is probably a rare one way scenario even with traffic but 25-30m is not out of the question. Haven’t you been in one of those kinds of suburbs? They were common in the Tier 2-3 city I grew up in in the South although I guess in the Northeast and West I haven’t seen it as often
Re:Americans need a six-figure salary to afford a new home i... by t-writescode on Saturday November 11, 2023 @02:21AM (#38228243)
10 minutes, by car going 30-50 mph
Re:Americans need a six-figure salary to afford a new home i... by bronsonkhmai on Saturday November 11, 2023 @09:01AM (#38230341)
That comment has so little to do with reality I have to assume their mom still does the grocery shopping.
Re:Americans need a six-figure salary to afford a new home i... by t-writescode on Saturday November 11, 2023 @02:17AM (#38228229)
Zoning laws do not allow mixed use zoning in suburbia, so it's literally just vast, endless lands of single family homes (not even apartments)
Re:Americans need a six-figure salary to afford a new home i... by ulfw on Saturday November 11, 2023 @03:30AM (#38228518)
Because of low density. If a three person family lives on a 1000sqm plot of land rather than say 300 or 3000 in a skyscraper on the same plot, you inevitably have a harder time providing essential services. Hence the need to drive, built large parking lots, etc.