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Re:New York Restaurants Fight Back Against Reservations by Bots by pradn on Friday November 10, 2023 @01:59PM (#38222982)
There's an app called Dorsia, which lets you purchase seats at sought-after restaurants. The purchase is usually in the form of a per-seat minimum spend. They start at $75 per seat, but some go into the hundreds. This app solves a few problems at once: customers get to buy their way out of the seat-scouting process (keenly watching the apps for open reservations, walking in and putting their name on the waitlist, bribing the host, knowing someone with pull, etc), restaurants guarantee some of their seats go to high-spending clients (you could walk out with spending $35 at a good number of these spots), and companies have something to offer to their customers as a perk - Dorsia membership (the fancy gym chain Equinox gives their customers Dorsia access, for example). None of this is democratic, but that's the nature of luxury.

https://www.dorsia.com/

Re:New York Restaurants Fight Back Against Reservations by Bots by lotsofpulp on Friday November 10, 2023 @02:24PM (#38223306)
> None of this is democratic, but that's the nature of luxury.

What does democracy have to do with allocating a scarce resource?

Re:New York Restaurants Fight Back Against Reservations by Bots by kuschku on Friday November 10, 2023 @03:57PM (#38224412)
Why should a rich person be able to experience luxury more often than a poor person? Wouldn't it be more fair to allocate the seats randomly between all people that'd like to be there?

Allocating a scare resource so that some people can use it multiple times while others can never use it isn't exactly democratic.

Re:New York Restaurants Fight Back Against Reservations by Bots by jmye on Friday November 10, 2023 @04:36PM (#38224867)
Why should everyone have perfectly equal access to non-necessities? What, specifically, is “democratic” about making sure poor people can also get reservations at restaurants? Should everything in limited quantity be given away in a pure lottery?
Re:New York Restaurants Fight Back Against Reservations by Bots by kuschku on Saturday November 11, 2023 @02:24PM (#38233597)
By what measure do you or I deserve more than poor people?

Every society has some measure for who deserves more and who deserves less. The Nazis determined it by ethnicity. Other societies determined it by whether you were born into noble families. Our society today determines it by wealth, which in the end is just a proxy for ancestry and luck.

A truly fair system would allocate resources only based on factors entirely under your own control. It's not fair if you're punished for being born into the wrong family.

It follows that using wealth as a measure is definitely a bad choice.

Re:New York Restaurants Fight Back Against Reservations by Bots by jmye on Saturday November 11, 2023 @06:03PM (#38235501)
Boiling wealth down to solely luck or family is a wild leap, and I’m not sure how you’d support it with actual evidence. Counter examples are trivial.

I’m also still not clear why money is a bad tool for acquiring luxury resources. We’re not talking about necessary food and shelter, we’re talking about a high end restaurant.

Is there something wrong with saving money for things I want? Why should I have to enter a lottery for everything? Maybe I end up with a trip to Disney World, which I don’t want, instead of a nice date night with my wife, which I do want. Is there some reason you think that’s a more desirable situation or more fair?

It feels like a weird way to try to be equitable for things that will never, ever be equitable, and a strange, unsupportable justification for it.

Re:New York Restaurants Fight Back Against Reservations by Bots by kuschku on Sunday November 12, 2023 @07:08AM (#38239470)
You may have misunderstood me — I didn't say luck or family is the only source of wealth. But in a just world, luck or family should have as little influence on your allocation of resources as possible.

Wealth amassed through working and saving your wage is a just and fair system in my opinion. It's still biased as not all wages are fairly negotiated, but it's the most fair solution today.

My vision for the world is a socially democratic one — everyone is guaranteed a basic level of survival, similar in terms of housing, medical care and food access to what you'd get from a university dorm and cafeteria.

Beyond that, people can gain wealth from their own work and save it up. If you'd rather eat at a cheap restaurant every week, or a michelin star restaurant every few years, should be up to you.

But your wealth and your access to resources should come from your own work and not the luck of being born into the right family, the right ethnicity, the right country, or the right caste.

Re:New York Restaurants Fight Back Against Reservations by Bots by popcalc on Saturday November 11, 2023 @06:10PM (#38235541)
>It follows that using wealth as a measure [for deserving] is definitely a bad choice.

It's not a choice. Would you rather it be wealth or violence? As civilizations mature, the power that happens to be encapsulated in a tribal (read gang) leader's threat of physical violence and banishment transmogrifies into debt obligations once a strong civil law foundation is in place.

>By what measure do you or I deserve more than poor people? Who decides who deserves what? Let me know and we'll start lobbying next Monday ;)

“Don't you understand that it's a question of power, and money means power. It's as simple as that.”

- John Deuss

Re:New York Restaurants Fight Back Against Reservations by Bots by lotsofpulp on Friday November 10, 2023 @04:09PM (#38224574)
Democracy is a system of governance, attempting to use votes to provide equal representation to people. The mechanism for allocating resources is a different topic, as is determining what is and is not “fair”.

>Why should a rich person be able to experience luxury more often than a poor person?

Because that is the benefit of being rich. Perhaps this question is better phrased as “Why should there be a wealth/income gap greater than <$x>?”

Re:New York Restaurants Fight Back Against Reservations by Bots by vasdae on Friday November 10, 2023 @05:35PM (#38225492)
>Why should a rich person be able to experience luxury more often than a poor person?

Why would you work harder to get rich if you don't get anything for it?

Re:New York Restaurants Fight Back Against Reservations by Bots by FactKnower69 on Friday November 10, 2023 @06:00PM (#38225729)
>Why would you work harder to get rich if you don't get anything for it?

this comment wouldn't be nonsense if we lived in a political economy where money came exclusively from working hard / hazardous / difficult jobs, but in case you forgot, plenty of rich people have never worked a day in their lives and either lucked into an inheritance or sit on their ass and cash rent / dividend checks

Re:New York Restaurants Fight Back Against Reservations by Bots by Consultant32452 on Friday November 10, 2023 @11:39PM (#38227673)
The only reason I acquire wealth is to improve the lives of my children and grandchildren relative to their peers. If that option was taken away, I would have no reason to do anything but the bare minimum.
Re:New York Restaurants Fight Back Against Reservations by Bots by RoyalHenOil on Saturday November 11, 2023 @12:15AM (#38227840)
This is such an utterly insane position that I find myself doubting that you are being honest here. It suggests you don't actually care at all about the wellbeing of your children, and only about your family's status.

Imagine a scenario where you could banish your children to a hellish, poverty-stricken existence -- but their peers would be even worse off than that. Alternatively, you could give your children a happy, comfortable life, but all of their peers would be equal to them.

Are you seriously suggesting that you would choose the first option, not the second one?

Re:New York Restaurants Fight Back Against Reservations by Bots by Consultant32452 on Saturday November 11, 2023 @08:49AM (#38230258)
Your question implies a central planning of allocation of resources which we know from history results in exactly the hellish abject poverty you were so concerned about. Market economies full of rationally self interested people create the best life outcomes for everyone around. We are ALL better off if we are all in friendly competition to live the best lives possible.
Re:New York Restaurants Fight Back Against Reservations by Bots by RoyalHenOil on Thursday November 16, 2023 @03:36AM (#38287019)
I agree that friendly competition is important. It's the "relative to their peers" part that I find shocking.

Obviously I want my own children to live the best possible life I can give them, but I want their peers to do well, too. It is crazy to me to care only about your children's status in their community, rather than their absolute wellbeing and the wellbeing of the community they are a part of.

Re:New York Restaurants Fight Back Against Reservations by Bots by xyzelement on Saturday November 11, 2023 @09:04AM (#38230361)
You are presenting a false choice. He’s not comparing his children to others, he’s doing the most to do for them in absolute terms
Re:New York Restaurants Fight Back Against Reservations by Bots by RoyalHenOil on Thursday November 16, 2023 @03:31AM (#38286998)
He literally said "relative to their peers". I seems like you have read the comment as you want it to be, not as it is actually worded.
Re:New York Restaurants Fight Back Against Reservations by Bots by YetAnotherNick on Friday November 10, 2023 @05:52PM (#38225642)
Why are linkedin posts spreading everywhere.

Why does a rich person only has access to any asset you are selling. Could I get it for free?

Re:New York Restaurants Fight Back Against Reservations by Bots by bronsonkhmai on Saturday November 11, 2023 @08:53AM (#38230283)
The hysterical thing to me is they really mean collectivist/communism in this context.

"None of this is communist, but that is the nature of luxury".

Re:New York Restaurants Fight Back Against Reservations by Bots by jareklupinski on Friday November 10, 2023 @02:28PM (#38223355)
every time i heard about this app, i thought it was a prank, because i saw the movie
Re:New York Restaurants Fight Back Against Reservations by Bots by pradn on Friday November 10, 2023 @02:50PM (#38223630)
Ok wow, I didn't know the name comes from American Psycho!
Re:New York Restaurants Fight Back Against Reservations by Bots by renewiltord on Friday November 10, 2023 @02:02PM (#38223016)
That’s pretty cool. If it were an auction it could do price discovery even better.
Re:New York Restaurants Fight Back Against Reservations by Bots by well_actulily on Friday November 10, 2023 @02:06PM (#38223064)
Jesus. Dorsia? On a Friday night?
Re:New York Restaurants Fight Back Against Reservations by Bots by gosub100 on Friday November 10, 2023 @04:10PM (#38224584)
I wondered about this, or Big Kahuna Burger. Can someone trademark the brand if the brand appeared in the movie first?
Re:New York Restaurants Fight Back Against Reservations by Bots by SCUSKU on Friday November 10, 2023 @04:54PM (#38225054)
Great movie, never gets old
Re:New York Restaurants Fight Back Against Reservations by Bots by paxys on Friday November 10, 2023 @03:58PM (#38224427)
Dorsia is fine for what it is, but doesn't really solve the problem at hand. High rollers can always find a reservation regardless of scarcity, and similar services like Amex Concierge have existed for a long time now. Restaurants however also have to care about the other 99% of their clientele.
Re:New York Restaurants Fight Back Against Reservations by Bots by brewdad on Saturday November 11, 2023 @12:21AM (#38227861)
Kaan, in Portland, won a bunch of restaurant of the year awards and became overwhelmed with out of towners trying to book the place up. The owners recognized that to stay open long term, once the hype dies down, they need locals able to get in the door too. They have started experimenting with crossovers where if you buy a lunch at a neighboring business on a certain day, you can jump the line for reservations at Kaan a month or two later. They also played with people who dine at their bar can get restaurant bookings early. It’s only been a couple of months but they’ve seen success in filling the in demand seats with a mix of locals and big spenders from out of town.
Re:New York Restaurants Fight Back Against Reservations by Bots by steveBK123 on Friday November 10, 2023 @07:02PM (#38226183)
Maybe the market bifurcates into this willing to pay in money for tables like this vs those willing to pay in time (waitlist, walk in and convoluted reservation systems with small windows).