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Re:Spain lives in flats: why we have built our cities vertic... by BeetleB on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @02:44PM (#38195869)
> This is slightly aside, but the concerns over fertility rates in the first world really seem REALLY misplaced to me.

Since the early days of humanity, we've relied on children taking care of us in our old age. I haven't seen a solution for that.

Nursing homes are not a solution. I listened to some grim statistics from my state recently. In many nursing homes, the ratio of staff to patients is 6:1. It takes 6 full time employees to take care of 1 patient. Now I'll grant that these numbers were outliers, because the population was challenging - many/most of these patients had dementia, etc. And they were handling rural areas - you'd get better scaling in the city. Still, I'm sure in a major metropolitan area it's at least 2:1.

And that doesn't account for the poor existence in those places (abuse by employees, abuse by fellow residents - you're screwed if you don't have family members advocating for you).

And that's for patients who get to go. Many elderly will have chronic conditions which are bad enough that you can't live alone, but generally not bad enough for Medicare or health insurance to pay for assisted living. Examples are things like mobility issues - only long term health care insurance covers this, and it's way too expensive. I don't own such a policy and likely won't ever be able to afford it.

Re:Spain lives in flats: why we have built our cities vertic... by anthk on Thursday November 09, 2023 @05:07AM (#38203106)
Having children as a solution to wipe your ass in the future sounds selfish as hell...

Maybe we should invent more on robotics and healthcare so elderly people could live as independent as if they were in their 40's.

Re:Spain lives in flats: why we have built our cities vertic... by BeetleB on Thursday November 09, 2023 @02:54PM (#38210221)
And until we do, we need more people, as bad as it may be for the environment.

It's not as if no one thought of what you're saying. I think you don't appreciate how unfeasible it is currently. First off you have economics. Can we make it cheaply enough so that it's available to everyone, and not just white collar folks?

Even putting aside the economics of it, once you start itemizing all the possible ways one would need help, you'll realize you're effectively asking for the equivalent of an intelligent android.