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Re:Fedora 39 Released by reisse on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @04:14PM (#38182940)
> You have no idea what the challenges are or how the development process works for this project.

The magic of the open source gives you the possibility to see it. And I do sometimes take a look into a shitshow of management which is this three years old triple buffering MR [1]. Don't get me wrong, I didn't examine the code thoroughly, it might be a marvel of engineering, but when it takes you more than three years (and counting!) to land a feature, to the point where some people start to forgot why it was even necessary in the first place [2], and when downstream has to monkey-patch your feature as-is because the benefits are so big [3], you cannot say your development processes are alright.

And it's not only triple buffering, you can see the same pattern in the MR for VRR [4].

1. https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/merge_requests/1441

2. https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/merge_requests/1441#...

3. https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/why-ubuntu-22-04-is-so-fast-a...

4. https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/merge_requests/1154

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Re:Fedora 39 Released by tuna74 on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @05:04PM (#38183599)
You can see a lot of bugs found (and being fixed) in that MR. Should Gnome add lots of new bugs for little gain?
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Re:Fedora 39 Released by reisse on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @06:29PM (#38184601)
I won't answer this question because Canonical did it for me. As I mentioned in the parent post, they considered the gain so important that Ubuntu ships triple buffering patch starting from 22.04 LTS. Well, they actually come up with this feature - Daniel Van Vugt, author of the patch (huuuuge thank you, by the way) works for Canonical. So yeah, I promised not to answer, but I'd say GNOME should definitely have upstreamed the changes much earlier.
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Re:Fedora 39 Released by asdajksah2123 on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @09:27PM (#38186026)
And that's a good thing.

Gnome is not a distro. It doesn't provide a user facing distro.

It's a DE that other people are building the largest distros on.

They should be adding stuff based on their priorities, while Gnome's priority should be advancing the DE while ensuring their DE does not break all the many major distros that are based off Gnome.

It's a good thing that the distros can then add/fix stuff based on their priorities. That's what open development is about. That's what allows Canonical to differentiate from a Fedora. How they choose to prioritize the features/fixes they build on top of Gnome.

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Re:Fedora 39 Released by asdajksah2123 on Tuesday November 07, 2023 @09:25PM (#38186004)
And yet somehow despite Gnome's shitshow management, all the major distros default to GNOME.

Maybe they're doing something right?

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Re:Fedora 39 Released by reisse on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @04:18AM (#38188246)
> all the major distros default to GNOME

If your definition of major distros is limited to Ubuntu, Debian and Fedora, then probably. Linux Mint was born out of rejecting GNOME, Arch is not opinionated, Manjaro defaults to KDE (although "defaults" here may be a wrong word), SteamOS defaults to KDE, openSUSE defaults to KDE, then there's PopOS...

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