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Re:Hundreds demonstrate against high rents in Zurich by sshine on Sunday November 05, 2023 @03:03PM (#38155047)
You don’t want the state as your landlord. The government is an elephant graveyard for talent.

In Denmark, the co-operative movement led unions to construct housing for their members. With the fall of unions, the housing organisations that remain now provide thousands of low-cost homes: they weren’t built for profit.

Co-operative housing still gets built at scale in Denmark, but rarely in the big cities; the private companies will outbid them because there is always a willing renter for luxury apartments.

I protested the capital city rent increase by moving out. I understand why students can’t.

Re:Hundreds demonstrate against high rents in Zurich by bugglebeetle on Sunday November 05, 2023 @03:06PM (#38155081)
Yeah, that’s the reason why Vienna has some of the most affordable housing in the EU. Oh wait, no it’s actually because the government is a lot of people’s landlord.
Re:Hundreds demonstrate against high rents in Zurich by FirmwareBurner on Sunday November 05, 2023 @03:25PM (#38155284)
Vienna is quite of an outlier in the EU and even in Austria itself. Here's why:

One, social housing there is a very old concept, old and because of that, a significant portion of the population (>50%) lives in social housing, therefore because of how democracy works, they can vote themselves a great situation because they're the majority.

But if the amount of population in a city living in social housing is below 50% (most of Europe) then they don't have the democratic political leverage to vote themselves a better public housing situation, so social housing turns into a low quality charity for the poor and ends up turned into ghettos leading to a bad image of social housing leading to people to further voting even less in favor of social housing not wanting more ghettos.

Vienna, having the majority of it's citizens in social housing for a long time now has reached "escape velocity", that's why it works there but in no other EU cities who want to try it now, including in the rest of Austria where social housing is not the norm but more of a safety net for poor people and cities have even sold off a lot of their public housing to private investors in the 2008 crisis meaning replicating Vienna's success today would be impossible.

And secondly, unlike Zurich, Amsterdam, Berlin, etc., Vienna is not a tech hub, meaning it lacks international big wealthy companies with large offices of well paid workers from overseas, and neither is it a low-tax beach destination for wealthy digital nomads so there's not such a big pressure on the rental market from overseas workers with huge salaries pushing up rents and gentrifying everything.

That's the situation for rents. But the situation for buying a property flips on its head and makes Vienna one of the most expensive cities in Europe for buying your own property, far disconnected form average wages that almost nobody could afford to buy something.

Re:Hundreds demonstrate against high rents in Zurich by Ekaros on Sunday November 05, 2023 @04:55PM (#38156047)
In Finland municipal housing seem to do pretty well. They are build and rented at cost so rents are basically as affordable as they can get without going to pure charity. Ofc, also being renters of last resort the neighbours might not always be the best or the areas. But still I believe state or local government is one of the most reasonable parties to rent from.