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Re:You're Gonna Need a Bigger Browser by eduction on Saturday November 04, 2023 @09:12PM (#38146971)
What is this person actually proposing? In concrete terms?

This reads like a lot of hand waving and talking in circles from someone who drank an extra pot of coffee.

People have been trying to suck functionality from the web into the browser since Netscape 4.5 at least. The devil is in the details.

Re:You're Gonna Need a Bigger Browser by idle_zealot on Saturday November 04, 2023 @10:12PM (#38147350)
What he's actually proposing are Web Tiles[1], which he explains in the next article in this series. Basically a move from web pages as Internet-connected applications to being locally-cached reusable components that compose into workflows.

1: https://berjon.com/web-tiles/

Re:You're Gonna Need a Bigger Browser by CSMastermind on Saturday November 04, 2023 @10:37PM (#38147520)
Someone should write an article about that then because this series of articles does a poor job of explaining both the problem and the solution.
Re:You're Gonna Need a Bigger Browser by autoexec on Sunday November 05, 2023 @01:41AM (#38148612)
Even the linked page doesn't contain the phrase "web tiles" outside of the title and a link back to itself
Re:You're Gonna Need a Bigger Browser by ArabicBaklava on Sunday November 05, 2023 @01:55AM (#38148969)
i tried chatgpt prompts, still not getting much out of it either
Re:You're Gonna Need a Bigger Browser by b33j0r on Saturday November 04, 2023 @11:00PM (#38147651)
I agree. These ideas are poetry, based on our jazz standards and hymns.

I disagree with “a good book is one that confirms what you already believe,” even if Willy Wonka writes it.

Re:You're Gonna Need a Bigger Browser by keepamovin on Sunday November 05, 2023 @12:42AM (#38148300)
> This reads like a lot of hand waving and talking in circles from someone who drank an extra pot of coffee.

This reading seems too dismissive and simplistic, and not respectful of the people involved. At the base of the article:

Many thanks to the following excellent people (in alphabetical order) for their invaluable feedback: Amy Guy, Benjamin Goering, Ben Harnett, Blaine Cook, Boris Mann, Brian Kardell, Brooklyn Zelenka, Dave Justice, Dietrich Ayala, Dominique Hazaël-Massieux, Fabrice Desré, Ian Preston, Juan Caballero, Kjetil Kjernsmo, Marcin Rataj, Margaux Vitre, Maria Farrell, and Tess O'Connor. Needless to say, anything dumb and stupid in this article is entirely mine.

Is there a specific point you found circular or hand-wavy?

Re:You're Gonna Need a Bigger Browser by btilly on Sunday November 05, 2023 @01:18AM (#38148501)
The point that nobody wants tabs was handwavy and extremely dismissive of the fact that I actually do like tabs.

Based on my past experiences with other UX people who want me to live without a UI element that I'm attached to, I'd be willing to bet money that he's failed to understand something about how my brain actually works. And mocking people who might have my preference goes a long way to convincing me that he won't want to listen to why people like me don't want to use his version. Whatever it is. (He didn't make that clear.)

Re:You're Gonna Need a Bigger Browser by keepamovin on Sunday November 05, 2023 @01:54AM (#38148676)
Thanks for your clarity! While not the ancestor commenter, you lay out a criticism of that point well.

I agree with you the point about tabs comes across as insensitive and lacking in empathy for people who like tabs.

Take for example: For all users, tabs are the wrong answer to something people want to do: organise their information, even if it's just a small current stack of interactions

Criticism of tabs is warranted and it's worth exploring other solutions, but to pretend that tabs have no use cases, thereby seeming to suggest that anyone who likes them is "wrong" or, even "dumb", is difficult to support. This exaggeration makes the points less effective.

And mocking people who might have my preference goes a long way to convincing me that he won't want to listen to why people like me don't want to use his version

Totally agree.

I thought the article made good points, but often stated them poorly, diluted them with unwarranted insensitivity and hyperbole, and was hard to read.

Re:You're Gonna Need a Bigger Browser by Kye on Sunday November 05, 2023 @10:04AM (#38151719)
I assume the "organizing information" use case is based on those people with 5000 tabs and plugins to manage them. Personally, I use tabs like an operating system's app switcher. I have Pinterest open for looking up references, Mastodon for posting/goofing off, Disney+ for the movie I plan to finish later, etc. One or another browser (I forget which) tried pushing tabs into the operating system's app switcher, and it didn't go over well.

The history of browser development needs to be better-documented. It's hard to learn from history if you weren't there for it and no one thought to write it down.

Re:You're Gonna Need a Bigger Browser by finefrenchbrit on Sunday November 05, 2023 @09:54AM (#38151636)
> The point that nobody wants tabs was handwavy and extremely dismissive of the fact that I actually do like tabs.

You do NOT want tabs and you do NOT like them, but you do NOT know that. You just think you do. Open your mind up.

Re:You're Gonna Need a Bigger Browser by JohnFen on Sunday November 05, 2023 @09:54AM (#38151637)
I don't want tabs, for the most part. I use them for certain specialized activities, but in general, I strongly prefer using multiple browser instances in windows over tabs.

Fortunately, browsers can and do accommodate both of us. I hope they continue to do so.

Re:You're Gonna Need a Bigger Browser by JohnFen on Sunday November 05, 2023 @09:51AM (#38151611)
That was my question as well. But perhaps he intended it as a statement of principles rather than a formal recommendation.
Re:You're Gonna Need a Bigger Browser by jauntywundrkind on Sunday November 05, 2023 @12:24PM (#38153242)
Sometimes it's ok to have a think-piece that makes you think. It doesn't all need to be answers.