Re:Texas activist David Barton wants to end separation of ch...
by bradley13 on Saturday November 04, 2023 @01:59PM
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He should move to a theocracy and see how it works. There are plenty to choose from, even if most are Islamic. Theocracies become dictatorships (or at least oligarchies), using government power to suppress anything the rulers don't like.
Of course, Barton figures he'll be one of the rulers...
Re:Texas activist David Barton wants to end separation of ch...
by COOL_DUDE_2112 on Saturday November 04, 2023 @02:25PM
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Texas is a theocracy in a way.
We will give voice to David Barton's ideas, but if I said I wanted to "end" David Barton, I would be the bad guy in this conversation.
We already live in a theorcracy, and have lived in a theocracy since the so called election of George W Bush.
For millennials like myself who were not born into the families of rich elite or local party officials, we have been violently subjected to deprivation of rights, forced into precarity engineered before we were born into a world we did not consent to enter, subjected to an Eternal September 11th where our responses to trauma are forever policed and monetized if we do anything but simp for the money for bread and circuses.
Re:Texas activist David Barton wants to end separation of ch...
by reaperman on Sunday November 05, 2023 @08:14PM
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I’m really not sure. Wikipedia lists them as a “Unitary theocratic Catholic elective absolute monarchy” and says “ It became independent from Italy in 1929 with the Lateran Treaty, and it is a distinct territory under ‘full ownership, exclusive dominion, and sovereign authority and jurisdiction’ of the Holy See, itself a sovereign entity under international law.”
Re:Texas activist David Barton wants to end separation of ch...
by OfSanguineFire on Saturday November 04, 2023 @07:38PM
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Several European countries have established churches, and in some of them that established church does have a special role in lobbying, or it gets a seat in parliament, etc. That hasn’t stopped those countries from being regarded as well-functioning democracies. So, a knee-jerk reaction that this is a direct road to theocracy and dictatorship is a bit much.
What is problematic in the US context is that the majority of the population doesn’t so neatly subscribe to a single faith, not even historically. The US has always been a mix of, first, the “mainline” Christian denominations, then since the early 19th century a mess of neo-Protestant sects, and finally every world religion. So, I think would have to underscore that it is this particular environment that trying to establish any religion as advantaged would require some authoritarian steps.
Of course, Barton figures he'll be one of the rulers...
We will give voice to David Barton's ideas, but if I said I wanted to "end" David Barton, I would be the bad guy in this conversation.
We already live in a theorcracy, and have lived in a theocracy since the so called election of George W Bush.
For millennials like myself who were not born into the families of rich elite or local party officials, we have been violently subjected to deprivation of rights, forced into precarity engineered before we were born into a world we did not consent to enter, subjected to an Eternal September 11th where our responses to trauma are forever policed and monetized if we do anything but simp for the money for bread and circuses.
(Not that the contemporary Catholic Church advocates or would do that. I’m asking a legal question.)
What is problematic in the US context is that the majority of the population doesn’t so neatly subscribe to a single faith, not even historically. The US has always been a mix of, first, the “mainline” Christian denominations, then since the early 19th century a mess of neo-Protestant sects, and finally every world religion. So, I think would have to underscore that it is this particular environment that trying to establish any religion as advantaged would require some authoritarian steps.
Although, if one had to pick, Evangelicals would clearly win, due to their existing political power.